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October 13, 1954, Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon, Saône-et-Loire:

Reference number for this case: 14-oct-54-StRomain. Thank you for including this reference number in any correspondence with me regarding this case.

Reports:

[Ref. am1:] AIME MICHEL:

Aimé Michel indicates that on October 14, 1954, Mr B., resident of Jules-Chagot quay at Montceau-the-Mines, was driving his motorcycle on the road which joins Saint-Romain-Sous-Gourdon and Les Brosses-Tillot in the Saone-and-Loire.

The engine of its motorcycle suddenly stopped without apparent reason.

Aimé Michel notes that the restarting of such engine is simply made by magnetic wheel that one actuates by pedalling, but when he did that, Mr. B could nevertheless not restart the engine.

He put foot on the ground, and a sharp light spouted out in front of him at about fifty meter, revealing a circular machine of which he said that it resembled plate turned upside down.

Mr. B looked at this spectacle with astonishment initially, then he became anxious and decided to go away by pushing his motorcycle. When he arrived at the place place where the engine had stopped, the engine started again spontaneously, at his great astonishment.

[Ref. mc1:] "MICHEL CARROUGES":

The author indicates that on October 14, 1954 in the Saone et Loire, Mr. B of Montceau-les-Mines, by motorcycle, saw a light spouting out of a circular object similar to two reversed plates posed at about fifty meters on the road in front of him, and his engine stalled.

The source is noted "M. II, p.268."

[Ref. jv2:] JACQUES VALLEE:

The author indicates that Aimé Michel's second book at page 115 says that M.B., living in Montceau-les-Mines, was riding a motorcycle on the road from St.Romain-sous-Gourdon to Brosse-Tillots in the Saone-et-Loire, when suddenly without apparent reason his motor stopped and could not be started again. He got off and a bright light burst out about 50 yards in front of him, revealing an object that looked, he said, "like a plate turned upside down." He looked in amazement, then, frightened, he decided to turn back, walking and pushing his motorcycle, but when he reached the point where his motor had stopped it started up again.

[Ref. gc2:] LEONARD G. CRAMP:

("Fig 48. Table of some typical UFO effects on cars and people at varying distances.")

PLACE. DATE. EFFECTS. APPROX. DISTANCE FROM UFO.
Saone-et-Loire France. October 1954 Motorcycle engine stalled. 150 feet.

[Ref. jv5:] JACQUES VALLEE:

341 -004.42701 46.61100 14 10 1954 19 10 2 BROSSES-TILLOT F 301233 C** 293

[Ref. jv1:] JACQUES VALLEE:

259

Oct. 14, 1954, nightfall, Saint-Romain (France).

Mr. B. saw a circular craft shaped like an upside-down plate. At the same time, the engine on his motorcycle stalled. In the same area an engineer saw a luminous object coming down rapidly. (Anatomy 130).

[Ref. gl1:] CHARLES GARREAU AND RAYMOND LAVIER:

The two ufologists report that on October 13, 1954, at about 8 P.M., between Saint-Romain sous Gourdon in the Saône-et-Loire and Les Brosses-Thillot, an anonymouse motorcycle rider, Mr. B., who resides Jules Chagot street in Montceau-les-Mines is surprised to note that the engine of his motorcycle misfires and stops without apparent reason. At the same time, looking in the direction of a small bridge, he sees a very brilliant gleam, which spreads out at some 50 meters, and which is emitted by an object resembling a plate turned over of approximately 6 to 8 meters in diameter.

Frightened, the motorcycle rider turns back, pushing his motorcycle. He had a new surprise: while arriving at the place where his engine had stopped, the motorcycle started out again by itself.

[Ref. fr1:] MICHEL FIGUET AND JEAN-LOUIS RUCHON:

The two authors indicate that in Saint-Romain sous Gourdon, in the Saone-et-Loire, on October 14, 1954, at twilight, the witness, Mr. B., circulates on his motorcycle on the road which connects Saint-Romain sous Gourdon to Les Brosses-Tillots, when, without apparent reason, his engine stops. Mr. B. pedals to restart his motorcycle, but in vain. He then puts foot on the ground, it is at this time that he sees a sharp gleam spouting out within fifty meters of him. This gleam is emitted by a circular machine that the witness compares to an upside down saucer. The observer makes the decision to get back by pushing his motorcycle. While arriving, in opposite direction, at the point where the engine had stopped, he was very surprised to note the correct operation of the engine. The object takes off.

The authors indicate that the sources are the Vallée catalogue, case 259; Aimé Michel in "A Propos des S.V." page 213 and "Mystérieux Objets Célestes" pages 292-293; Quincy; and Anatomy 130.

[Ref. bb1:] GERARD BARTHEL AND JACQUES BRUCKER:

The two authors note this case of October 14, 1954:

"Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon - 71 - 07:25p.m.: hoax after investigation.
Les Brosses-Tillots - 71 - 07:25p.m.: hoax after investigation."

As explanation as to why they make two cases with one, they indicate by a footnote that it is as if two people on each side of a wall see a pigeon on the wall, it makes one event and not two.

[Ref. mr1:] MARK RODEGHIER:

October 14, 1954
Nightfall

FRANCE, St. Romain-sous-Gordon: A Mr. B., riding his motorcycle alone to Brosses-Thillot, experienced engine failure. As he got off to investigate, a bright light appeared, which was revealed to be a circular object that looked "like a plate turned upside down." After watching it for some time, he pushed the motorcycle down the road, where it was then restarted. (Michel)

[Ref. mf1:] FRANCAT - MICHEL FIGUET:

In an extract of his Francat catalogue, Michel Figuet recorded that the case of the CE0 type between St Romain and Les Brosses Tillots as well as the one in Montceau-les-Mines was in the twilight, a "confusion with the fall of a fireball."

[Ref. js1:] JEAN SIDER:

Jean Sider found in the newspaper "Le Petit Maçonnais" of October 18, 1954, that on October 14, at dusk, in St. Romain-sous-Gourdon / Les Brosses-Tillot, an anonymous witness exeprienced the following close encounter.

He was riding his motorcycle, when its engine suddenly stopped. He was not able to restart it. At this time, he saw a sharp gleam spouting out within 50 meters of him.

The gleam was emitted by a circular machine resembling a plate turned over. The witness backed off, and noted that the engine of its motorcycle started again at the time when he passed the place where it had ceased functioning.

Jean Sider indicates that the counter-investigation by Barthel and Brucker on the case is "imaginary."

He gives his demonstration for this by noting that the case "Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon" and the case "Les Brosses-Tillot" are a single case, which occurred between these two localities, whereas Barthel and Brucker quote them as explained each one by an investigation as if they were two different cases - but, argues Sider, if they had really investigated they would not have failed to note that this is only one case.

[Note: this is false, see [bb1] above, Barthel and Brucker did point out, though clumsily, that the two cases are really only one case.]

Jean Sider indicates that the newspaper Le Petit Mâconnais for October 18, 1954 had reported the incident on page 5 like this:

"Mr. B..., remaining quay Jules Chagot, in Montceau-les-Mines, circulated my motor-cycle on the road which goes from St Romain sous Gourdon to the Brosses-Tillots, was surprised to note that its engine, without apparent reason, stopped, preventing him from continuing his road. While looking at in the direction of a small wood, he was amazed to see a very brilliant gleam which spread out at some fifty meters of him and which was emitted by an apparatus resembling a plate turned upsude down. The "saucer", he told us, could have from six to eight meters in diameter. Mr. B... made a U-turn and his motor-cycle started as soon as he had left what he calls the magnetic field of the apparatus. Mr. B... is still amazed, he considers it regrettable that nobody was with him to note with their own eyes that he had indeed been in the presence of one of these machines that are so much discussed."

Jean Sider estimates that the hoaxes are generally more elaborate than this, with occupants and many details as in cases by anonymous letters addressed to the newspapers.

He notes that whereas the witness had asked for anonymity, his address was given and that if Barthel and Brucker had truly inquired they could have found him and given his name to prove it, but that they worked from a file stuffed with errors and "thus this is additional cheating no doubt about it."

[Ref. go1:] GODELIEVE VAN OVERMEIRE:

Godelieve van Overmeire indicates that in 1954, on October 14, in France, in Montceau les Mines, "M.B. residing quay Jules Chagot circulated in the twilight, between St Romain sous Gourdon and les Brosses-Tillots by motorcycle, when without apparent reason his engine stopped. He put foot at ground and at 50 m in front of him spouts out a circular object resembling a reversed plate."

The source is noted "Aimé Michel: 'M.O.C.' Seghers pub., p. 234"

[Ref. jb1:] JEROME BEAU:

Thursday, October 14, 1954

In the twilight - In Saint-Romain (France), M. B. sees a circular craft in the shape of a plate turned upside down. At the same time, the engine of his motor bike stalls. In the same area, an engineer observes a luminous object going down quickly.

Jérome Beau indicates as source "Vallée, J., Anatomy 130".

[Ref. jb2:] JEROME BEAU:

October 14, 1954
Nightfall

FRANCE, St. Romain-sous-Gordon: A Mr. B., riding his motorcycle aIone to Brosses-Thillot, experienced engine failure. As he got off to investigate, a bright light appeared, which was revealed to be a circular object that looked "like a plate turned upside down." After watching it for some time, he pushed the motorcycle down the road, where it was then restarted. (Michel)

[Ref. lc1:] LUC CHASTAN:

Luc Chastan indicates in his database that in the Saone et Loire in St Romain sous Gourdon on October 14, 1954 at 20:00 hours, "at twilight, the witness circulates by motor cycle on the road which connects Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon to les Brosses-Tillots, when, without apparent reason, his engine stops. Mr. B pedals to restart his motorcycle, but in vain. He then puts foot at ground, it is at this time that he sees a sharp gleam spouting out within fifty meters of him. This gleam is emitted by a circular machine that the witness compares to a plate turned upside down. The observer chosses to make a U turn pushing his vehicle. While arriving, in opposite direction, at the point where the engine had stopped, he was very surprized to note the correct operation of the latter. The object takes off."

The source is noted: "Ovni, Premier dossier complet... by Figuet M./ Ruchon J.L. ** Alain Lefeuvre pub. 1979".

[Ref. ud1:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:

The website indicates that on 14 October 1954 at dusk in St Romain, France, there was a sighting.

The source is indicated as Bowen, Charles, The Humanoids: FSR Special Edition No. 1, FSR, London, 1966.

[Ref. so1:] "SUD OUEST":

On its site web in a heading entitled "Sacred UFOs", the newspaper speaks about " two plates " which " were dandled " in Saint-Romain-de-Benet on October 18, 1954 at 21 o'clock, with two witnesses:

"A couple circulates in the car on the RN 150 between Saintes and Royan, and suddenly sees a luminous object flying at low altitude. It is composed of two plates, one orange, the other red, both connected by a feature of green light. 'The two plates dandled, exactly like a balance', the two motorists report. After a few seconds, the feature of green light is dissipated and the two plates are posed on the ground, not far from the witnesses. In a luminous halation, two beings of small size then make their appearance. They move one towards the other, cross without stopping and change apparatus. The two balls then take off vertiginously and disappear in a few seconds at the horizon."

[Ref. dj2:] DONALD JONHSON:

Donald Johnson indicates that on October 14, 1954, between Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon and les Brosses-Tillots, Saone-et-Loire a motorcyclist saw a circular craft shaped like an upside-down plate just after dark. At the same time the engine on his motorcycle stalled. After watching it for some time, he pushed the motorcycle down the road, where it could be restarted. In the same area an engineer also saw a luminous object coming down rapidly.

The sources are indicated as Aime Michel, Flying Saucers and the Straight Line Mystery, p. 175; Jacques Vallee, Anatomy of a Phenomenon, p. 130; Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia: A Century of Landings, case # 259; Larry Hatch, U computer database, case # 3919; Michel Carrouges, Les Apparitions de Martiens, p. 128.

[Ref. ni1:] "THE NICAP WEBSITE":

*Oct. 14, 1954 - Between Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon and les Brosses-Tillots, Saone-et-Loire department, France Mr. B. saw a circular craft shaped like an upside-down plate just after dark. At the same time, the engine on his motorcycle stalled. After watching for some time, he pushed the motorcycle down the road, where it could be restarted. In the same area an engineer also saw a luminous object coming down rapidly. (Sources: Aime Michel, Flying Saucers and the Straight Line Mystery, p. 175; Jacques Vallee, Anatomy of a Phenomenon, p. 130; Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia: A Century of Landings, case # 259; Larry Hatch, U computer database, case # 3919; Michel Carrouges, Les Apparitions de Martiens, p. 128).

[Ref. ub1:] "UFO-DATENBANK":

This database recorded this case 12 times:

Case Nr. New case Nr. Investigator Date of observation Zip Place of observation Country of observation Hour of observation Classification Comments Identification
19541014 14.10.1954 St. Romain Gourdon France Nightfall CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 St. Romain Gourdon France Nightfall CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 St. Romain Gourdon France Nightfall CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 St. Romain France Nightfall
19541014 14.10.1954 St. Romain Gourdon France Nightfall CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 Les Brosses Tillots France Nightfall CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 Les Brosses Tillots France Nightfall CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 Les Brosses Tillots France CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 Les Brosses Tillots France CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 Les Brosses Tillots France CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 St. Romain France Nightfall
19541014 14.10.1954 Brosses Thillot France CE II

Explanations:

Not looked for yet.

Keywords:

(These keywords are only to help queries and are not implying anything.)

Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon, Saône-et-Loire, craft, object, circular, saucer, plate, engine, stop, stall, luminous, motorbike, road, failure

Sources:

[---] indicates sources which I have not yet checked.

Document history:

Version: Created/Changed by: Date: Change Description:
0.1 Patrick Gross September 25, 2004 First published.
1.0 Patrick Gross April 4, 2009 Conversion from HTML to XHTML Strict. First formal version. Additions [mr1], [go1], [jb1], [jb2], [lc1], [ud1].
1.1 Patrick Gross December 25, 2009 Addition [mc1].
1.2 Patrick Gross February 28, 2010 Additions [so1], [dj2].
1.3 Patrick Gross June 29, 2010 Addition [jv5].
1.4 Patrick Gross July 3, 2010 Addition [gc2].
1.5 Patrick Gross November 15, 2014 Addition [ni1].
1.6 Patrick Gross February 23, 2017 Addition [ub1].

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