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Jutland, Denmark, on May 4, 1945:

Case number:

ACUFO-1945-05-04-JUTLAND-1

Summary:

The National UFO Reporting Center (NUFORC) is a website set up by the American ufologist Peter Davenport, where anyone can submit their UFO sighting testimony under the cover of anonymity.

It is therefore not surprising that eccentric or invented stories sometimes appear there.

Indeed we find, on May 25, 2005, a story by a person whose anonymity is preserved by the Website, this person recounting that he saw on May 4, 1945 at “4:03 p.m.” in Fraer, in Jutland, Denmark.

He reportedly saw three American P-51 Mustang fighter planes flying over a German radar station area, Camp “Lindwurm” near Fraer. The person said that these three pilots were on their way back to their base in England on a heading of 280° after a raid in the Danish waters of the “Kattegat”, when the 13 year old “boy” who was returning from school, who heard “this particular plane noise that could only come from Allied flights” stopped to look at them.

He waved his arms to the three pilots, and one of the pilots tilted his wings from side to side towards the boy. At the same time, German flak opened fire on these Mustang IVs, whose squadron is specified (but deleted from the publication).

The three Mustangs then turned around to fire on the German flak hidden in a very small forest area. One of the pilots was hit in the arm and his plane was holed; he crashed a few minutes later in an open field, about 1 km east of the village of Hornum, where he was treated and taken to Logstor hospital by civilians and the local doctor, just before before the German army entered the plane. The German army went to the hospital to capture him but the head doctor of the hospital refused to let them do so, because: “this patient was under treatment”. He recovered quickly and was back in Britain within 2 weeks.

Shortly afterwards, we are told, the schoolboy got into serious trouble at the hands of two German soldiers stationed near the Würzburg radar, who were shouting, threatening and running after the boy, wanting to beat him, but the boy jumped on his bike and quickly returned home.

When the three Mustangs turned 360° to return fire at the flak, they encountered a “gray hat-shaped object” hovering in the air no more than 100 meters above the ground, which made no sound. When this “gray hat-shaped object” “realized that it could now find itself in difficulty”, it started a few meters from these Mustangs in a South-South-West direction. The object, now described as “a German Haunebu Vril-7” was marked on the side with a German cross. It left with a brief heavy noise, “a sound you can imagine coming from many metal trash cans, like a rumble” and left at the speed of a “today's jet fighter.”

The author of the report then gives the registrations of the three Mustangs and the names of their three pilots - all censored on the NUFORC website, except that the downed pilot's name nevertheless appears as “Bell.”

Data:

Temporal data:

Date: May 4, 1945
Time: 04:03 p.m.
Duration: ?
First known report date: May 25, 2005
Reporting delay: 6 decades.

Geographical data:

Country: Denmark
State/Department: Jutland
City or place: Fraer

Witnesses data:

Number of alleged witnesses: 1
Number of known witnesses: 1
Number of named witnesses: 0

Ufology data:

Reporting channel: NUFORC Web report.
Visibility conditions: Day.
UFO observed: Yes.
UFO arrival observed: No.
UFO departure observed: Yes.
UFO action: Hovered, fled.
Witnesses action:
Photographs: No.
Sketch(s) by witness(es): No.
Sketch(es) approved by witness(es): No.
Witness(es) feelings: ?
Witnesses interpretation: Nazi saucer.

Classifications:

Sensors: [X] Visual: 1 to 4.
[ ] Airborne radar:
[ ] Directional ground radar:
[ ] Height finder ground radar:
[ ] Photo:
[ ] Film/video:
[ ] EM Effects:
[ ] Failures:
[ ] Damages:
Hynek: DD
Armed / unarmed: Armed, 4 to 6 12.7 mm machine guns.
Reliability 1-3: 1
Strangeness 1-3: 2
ACUFO: Probable late invention on the Web.

Sources:

[Ref. nuc1:] "NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER":

NUFORC Sighting 43929

Occurred: 1945-05-04 16:03 Local

Reported: 2005-05-12 12:42 Pacific

Duration:

Location: Fraer (Jutland) (Denmark), , Denmark

Shape: Disk

Young Danish boy witnesses UFO in dogfight with three U. S. P-51's.

Subject: german rfz (ufo) 4th may 1945.

A special event took place on 4th may 1945 at 16.03 when 3 Mustang flying over a very importend german radarstation area Camp “Lindwurm” near Fraer, Jutland Denmark as this event took place:

All three pilots mentioned above ((below)) were on their way back to their base in England from a raid in Danish water “Kattegat” - but they were on their course crossing a big and very importend ((important)) german military Radar- and listening Camp- codename “Lindwurm” - with 6 spec. Radar/listening devices/system were placed among other equiments etc. - I think they all three pilots got very suprised on this spot which looks peacefully - here is the event as I remember it:

On that this very last day 4th may 1945, just 14 hours before the second World War (the german surrender) ended both in Denmark and Germany was on a Friday 4th May 1945 and precisly at 16,03 hours did 3 Mustang Jagerfly IV pass by on crossing Jutland and they were passing by on course 280o. - A schoolboy (((witness name deleted)) - 13 year) has stopped on the road, when he heard this special airplane noise which only could come from the allied flights.

The boy stopped on the road, on his way home from school, just outside one of the german Würzbug Reise radar-station - close to the road (30 m) and when he discovered three Mustangs - he signaled to all 3 pilots by waving his arms. The pilot in front tipped with his wings from side to side back to the boy. On the precisly the same time a german flak open fire on these 3 Mustang IV from ((Squadron # deleted)) Sqdn. (Madras Precidency).

All 3 Mustang-flight's now turned 360° around and back again to fire on this creasy german flak, hidding in on a very small forrest area - Pilot P/O ((pilot name deleted)) here was hit in his arm, and the aircraft was holed. The P/O ((name deleted)) crash landed few minutes later on an open field, approx 1 Km east of the city Hornum village, where he was taken care of and brought to Logstor Hospital by civilians (local doctor), just before the German army entert the crassing plane. - The German army now went to Logstor Hospital to capture ((name deleted)) as prisoner, but the hospital cheif/doctor refuse to do it, as he said: “this patient was in treatment.” - P/O ((pilot name deleted)) soon recovered and was back in Great Britain within 2 weeks time.

The schoolboy shortly after that got in serious truble from two germans soldiers, who was stationed at this Würzburg radar, nearby him - they shout, threaten and running after the boy, they want to give him a beating. The boy jump on his bicyckle as fast as he could away home.

A very special event toke place as those 3 Mustang turning 360o around to fire back on the flak. Than they aprox. after 90o all meet a collered “grey hat formed object” hanging in the air - max. 100 m of the ground, without no sound! When this “grey hat-formed object” realize that it now could get in truble, it started at ones away from those Mustangs in direction SSW. When “the grey hat object” (a german “Haunebu” Vril-7) was on its side marked with a german cross. This object did started with a short heavy noise, a sound as you may imaging comming from many metal dustbins, like rumbling and away was this “grey hat-object” as fast as a now a day Jet-fighter.

This report on this document I hereby sign, testifying as the witness, to that the above report, confirming that this insident did take place as described here. in June 1999.

Please contact: ((name deleted)) e-mail: ((e-address deleted)).tele.dk November 1997 - Signed by my own hand.

Note: The special event on 4th may 1945 at 16.13: I would like to get in contact to one or all 3 RAF-pilot who was stationed on Banff Air Base in northern England in may 1945:

Mustang Jagerfly ((a/c # and pilot #2 name deleted))

Mustang Jagerfly ((a/c # and pilot #3 name deleted))

Mustang Jagerfly ((a/c # and pilot #1 name and birthdate deleted))

All three Mustang on crossing out over Jutland, some flak positions by Mariager (correct pos. was Fraer near Skœrping) opened up fire. Mustang Jagerfly ((pilot #1)) was hit in his arm and the aircraft was holed. Bell crash landed near Logstor (Aars) and he was taken to Logstor Hospital. He soon recovered. - Some sources also state that the Banff Strike Wing was “escorted” by their Air Sea Rescue Warwicks as well on 4 may 1945.

It has later been confirmed that P/O ((pilot #1)) has been killed in Kenya by the “Mau-Mau movement” in Kenya sometime between 1952-56.

I'm willing to answer any questions and to your first question I can replay: I did not see this rfz object before the insident tool place becuse my interest was the well knowing noise from this P-51 a noise which we during the 2. WW have heard many time but only at nights and never have seen, now was possible to see in full daylight and this was a exciding moment for me. after following the P-51 around in the air I here for the first time got the wiev of this rfz object there was hanging quit was just after the germans try to shoot the P-51 down and they now turning around very fast- here I got the first look at the rfz -object.

Second question: the rfz did take ofF from its hanging position after the P-51 was in very close contact to this rfz object and the rfz fly of in the direction SSW south/south/west in high speed possible and my only guess is that it did try to avoid any futher contact.

i do hope that my response to your quistions be content sincerely ((witness name deleted))

P.S.--My english is not the best but I hope we understand each other.

((NUFORC CORRESPONDENCE WITH WITNESS)

Dear Mr. ((name deleted)),

Thank you very much for the most interesting letter!! The report is remarkably well detailed, and it certainly has the sound of authority to it. There is little doubt in my mind but what the incident occurred precisely as you have described below.

I have many questions about the gray object, and would like to correspond with you about it. Would you be willing to answer a few questions, please? Most of all, I would like to know whether you witnessed the object ahead of time, before the P-51's arrived. Also, I would like to know what happened to it, in the final analysis. Did it fly off, in order to escape from the P-51's, or did it stay in the same place?

I will enter your description of the incident as a report, and post it to our website in the near future.

Thank you, again, for sharing the information with our Center!!

Cordially,

Peter Davenport

((END NUFORC LETTER))

((WITNESS RESPONSE))

i'm willing to answer any quistions and to your first quistion I can replay:

I did not see this rfz object before the insident tool place becuse my interest was the well knowing noise from this P-51 a noise which we during the 2. WW have heard many time but only at nights and never have seen, now was possible to see in full daylight and this was a exciding moment for me. after following the P-51 around in the air I here for the first time got the wiev of this rfz object there was hanging quit was just after the germans try to shoot the P-51 down and they now turning around very fast- here I got the first look at the rfz -object.

second quistion: the rfz did take of from its hanging position after the P-51 was in very close contact to this rfz object and the rfz fly of in the direction SSW sout/south/west in high speed possible and my only guess is that it did try to avoid any futher contact.

i do hope that my response to your quistions be content

sincerely

((witness name deleted))

ps. my english is not the best but I hope we understand each other.

((END RESPONSE))

Posted 2005-05-24

[Ref. tai1:] "THINK ABOUT IT" WEBSITE:

1945: Fraser Jutland Denmark Sighting

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(Last Updated On: May 10, 2021)

THINK ABOUT IT SIGHTING REPORT

Date: May 4 1945

Sighting Time: 16:03

Day/Night:

Location: Fraser Jutland Denmark

Urban or Rural: -

No. of Entity('s):

Entity Type:

Entity Description:

Hynek Classification: CE-I (Close Encounter I) Observation of an object in close proximity to the witness (i.e. within 500')

Duration:

No. of Object(s): 1

Height & Speed: max. 100 m of the ground

Size of Object(s):

Distance to Object(s):

Shape of Object(s): collared grey hat formed object

Color/Description of Object(s): collared “grey hat formed object” hanging in the air - max. 100 m of the ground, without no sound! When this “grey hat-formed object” realize that it now could get in trouble, it started at ones away from those Mustangs in direction SSW. When “the grey hat object” (a german “Haunebu” Vril-7) was on its side marked with a german cross. This object did started with a short heavy noise, a sound as you may imagine coming from many metal dustbins, like rumbling and away was this “grey hat-object” as fast as a now a day Jet-fighter.

Number of Witnesses: Multiple

Source: National UFO Reporting Center

Summary/Description:

Full Report

Young Danish boy witnesses UFO in dogfight with three U. S. P-51's.

Subject: german rfz (ufo) 4th may 1945.

A special event took place on 4th may 1945 at 16.03 when 3 Mustang flying over a very important german radar station area Camp “Lindwurm” near Fraer, Jutland Denmark as this event took place: All three pilots mentioned above ((below)) were on their way back to their base in England from a raid in Danish water “Kattegat” - but they were on their course crossing a big and very important ((important)) german military Radar- and listening Camp- codename “Lindwurm” - with 6 spec. Radar/listening devices/system were placed among other equipments etc. - I think they all three pilots got very surprised on this spot which looks peacefully - here is the event as I remember it:

On that this very last day 4th may 1945, just 14 hours before the second World War (the german surrender) ended both in Denmark and Germany was on a Friday 4th May 1945 and precisely at 16,03 hours did 3 Mustang Jagerfly IV pass by on crossing Jutland and they were passing by on course 280o. - A schoolboy (((witness name deleted)) - 13 year) has stopped on the road, when he heard this special airplane noise which only could come from the allied flights. The boy stopped on the road, on his way home from school, just outside one of the german Würzbug Reise radar-station - close to the road (30 m) and when he discovered three Mustangs - he signaled to all 3 pilots by waving his arms. The pilot in front tipped with his wings from side to side back to the boy. On the precisely the same time a german flak open fire on these 3 Mustang IV from ((Squadron # deleted)) Sqdn. (Madras Presidency). All 3 Mustang-flight's now turned 360o around and back again to fire on this creasy german flak, hiding in on a very small forest area - Pilot P/O ((pilot name deleted)) here was hit in his arm, and the aircraft was holed. The P/O ((name deleted)) crash landed few minutes later on an open field, approx 1 Km east of the city Hornum village, where he was taken care of and brought to Logstor Hospital by civilians (local doctor), just before the German army entert the crashing plane. - The German army now went to Logstor Hospital to capture ((name deleted)) as prisoner, but the hospital chief/doctor refuse to do it, as he said: “this patient was in treatment.” - P/O ((pilot name deleted)) soon recovered and was back in Great Britain within 2 weeks time.

The schoolboy shortly after that got in serious trouble from two germans soldiers, who was stationed at this Würzburg radar, nearby him - they shout, threaten and running after the boy, they want to give him a beating. The boy jump on his bicycle as fast as he could away home. A very special event toke place as those 3 Mustang turning 360o around to fire back on the flak. Than they approx. after 90o all meet a collared “grey hat formed object” hanging in the air - max. 100 m of the ground, without no sound! When this “grey hat-formed object” realize that it now could get in trouble, it started at ones away from those Mustangs in direction SSW. When “the grey hat object” (a german “Haunebu” Vril-7) was on its side marked with a german cross. This object did started with a short heavy noise, a sound as you may imagine coming from many metal dustbins, like rumbling and away was this “grey hat-object” as fast as a now a day Jet-fighter.

This report on this document I hereby sign, testifying as the witness, to that the above report, confirming that this incident did take place as described here. in June 1999. Please contact: ((name deleted)) e-mail: ((e-address deleted)).tele.dk November 1997 - Signed by my own hand.

Note: The special event on 4th may 1945 at 16.13: I would like to get in contact to one or all 3 RAF-pilot who was stationed on Banff Air Base in northern England in may 1945:

Mustang Jagerfly ((a/c # and pilot #2 name deleted))

Mustang Jagerfly ((a/c # and pilot #3 name deleted))

Mustang Jagerfly ((a/c # and pilot #1 name and birthdate deleted))

All three Mustang on crossing out over Jutland, some flak positions by Mariager (correct pos. was Fraer near Skorping) opened up fire. Mustang Jagerfly ((pilot #1)) was hit in his arm and the aircraft was holed. Bell crash landed near Logstor (Aars) and he was taken to Logstor Hospital. He soon recovered. - Some sources also state that the Banff Strike Wing was “escorted” by their Air Sea Rescue Warwicks as well on 4 may 1945. It has later been confirmed that P/O ((pilot #1)) has been killed in Kenya by the “Mau-Mau movement” in Kenya sometime between 1952-56. I'm willing to answer any questions and to your first question I can replay: I did not see this rfz object before the incident tool place because my interest was the well knowing noise from this P-51 a noise which we during the 2. WW have heard many time but only at nights and never have seen, now was possible to see in full daylight and this was a exciting moment for me. after following the P-51 around in the air I here for the first time got the view of this rfz object there was hanging quit was just after the germans try to shoot the P-51 down and they now turning around very fast- here I got the first look at the rfz -object.

Second question: the rfz did take ofF from its hanging position after the P-51 was in very close contact to this rfz object and the rfz fly of in the direction SSW south/south/west in high speed possible and my only guess is that it did try to avoid any further contact. i do hope that my response to your questions be content sincerely ((witness name deleted))

P.S.-My english is not the best but I hope we understand each other.

((NUFORC CORRESPONDENCE WITH WITNESS)

Dear Mr. ((name deleted)),

Thank you very much for the most interesting letter!! The report is remarkably well detailed, and it certainly has the sound of authority to it. There is little doubt in my mind but what the incident occurred precisely as you have described below. I have many questions about the gray object, and would like to correspond with you about it. Would you be willing to answer a few questions, please? Most of all, I would like to know whether you witnessed the object ahead of time, before the P-51's arrived. Also, I would like to know what happened to it, in the final analysis. Did it fly off, in order to escape from the P-51's, or did it stay in the same place? I will enter your description of the incident as a report, and post it to our website in the near future. Thank you, again, for sharing the information with our Center!!

Cordially, Peter Davenport

((END NUFORC LETTER))

((WITNESS RESPONSE))

i'm willing to answer any questions and to your first question I can replay: I did not see this rfz object before the incident tool place because my interest was the well knowing noise from this P-51 a noise which we during the 2. WW have heard many time but only at nights and never have seen, now was possible to see in full daylight and this was a exciting moment for me. after following the P-51 around in the air I here for the first time got the view of this rfz object there was hanging quit was just after the germans try to shoot the P-51 down and they now turning around very fast- here I got the first look at the rfz -object. second question: the rfz did take of from its hanging position after the P-51 was in very close contact to this rfz object and the rfz fly of in the direction SSW south/south/west in high speed possible and my only guess is that it did try to avoid any further contact. i do hope that my response to your questions be content

sincerely ((witness name deleted))

ps. my english is not the best but I hope we understand each other.

((END RESPONSE))

Aircraft information:

The North American P-51 “Mustang” was certainly the best U.S. fighter plane of World War II.

P-51.

“Mustang Mk IV” was a name assigned by the Royal Air Force to the P-51D model.

Discussion:

Jutland (Jylland in Danish and Jütland in German) is the peninsula part of Denmark linking it to the continent.

Map.

During the World War II, there was never the slightest “hat-shaped” German flying machine; the so-called “German saucers” were invented by sensationalist writers and neo-Nazi propagandists after the war and after the topic of the “flying saucers” had been brought into the public arena.

There is not the slightest chance that a 13 year old schoolboy witnessing what is described could have known the names of the three pilots, much less the registration numbers of their planes, the purpose of their mission and their unit, unless he had been at the hospital where the injured pilot would have given him this information; which the story does not say, and which would have been against the rules in any case.

The German radar station “Lindwurm” did exist, at Frær near Skorping, but it is a widely known fact of the history of the World War II.

One of the mistakes in the “report” is that we are given an hour precise to the minute: “04:03 p.m.”. Who would believe that a 13 year old schoolboy would have been fitted with a watch in these days, would have looked at it, and remember the precise hour?

Update June 13, 2024:

I managed to find the name and email address of the reporting person.

The email server on which it was hosted does not exist anymore, or never existed.

A search on the name made me find a person who makes and sells posters on the Web, including science-inspired and UFO-inspired posters.

I also found the same name as the webmaster of CSETI (cseti.org), Dr. Greer's organization.

Evaluation:

Probable late invention on the Web.

Sources references:

* = Source is available to me.
? = Source I am told about but could not get so far. Help needed.

File history:

Authoring:

Main author: Patrick Gross
Contributors: None
Reviewers: None
Editor: Patrick Gross

Changes history:

Version: Create/changed by: Date: Description:
0.1 Patrick Gross April 19, 2024 Creation, [nuc1], [tai1].
1.0 Patrick Gross April 19, 2024 First published.
1.1 Patrick Gross June 13, 2024 In the Discussion, update at this date.

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