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October 16, 1954, Thin-le-Moutiers, Ardennes:

Reference number for this case: 16-oct-54-Thin. Thank you for including this reference number in any correspondence with me regarding this case.

Summary:

The regional newspaper L'Est Républicain for October 21, 1954, reported among other things, on page 6, that one reported that in Thin-le-Moutier, a village in the district of Mézières, a woman saw a flying saucer land at less than thirty meters from her and that, frightened, she lost consciousness immediately.

Since then, the newspaper says, "this person, who enjoys widespread esteem in the country, suffers from a strange skin disease and is forced to stay in her bedroom."

In the 1960s, ufologist Jacques Vallée, quoting himself as the source, said that the date of October 16, 1954, is approximate, that it was an "object" that landed about 30 meters from the woman who fainted and suffered from skin disease as a result of this incident.

In 1975, ufologists and journalists Charles Garreau and Raymond Lavier indicated that the precise date of the case at Thin-le-Moutier in the Ardennes is not known. On the other hand, they indicate that it was in the morning, that the witness was a young woman named Jeanne Rossignon, that she had been looking for the cows in a pasture near the village to bring them back to the farm for milking. It was when she arrived at the top of a small hill that she was face to face with a craft already posed on the ground at a very short distance, and that she had fainted almost at the same moment.

When she regained consciousness, the craft was no longer there. She was able to return but had to stay in bed and suffered for several days of a strange dermatosis that disappeared only slowly: her skin looked like toad skin.

Professor Villequez, dermatology specialist at the Faculty of Medicine of Dijon, to whom Charles Garreau submitted this case, told him: "such reactions are frequent following violent emotional shocks. So she did not invent that story."

In 1997, Jean Sider, giving a version similar to that of Garreau and Lavier, indicated that its source was the newspaper Le Lorrain for October 21, 1954.

Reports:

[Ref. ler1:] "L'EST REPUBLICAIN" NEWSPAPER:

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Flying saucers give skin diseases!

Charleville (from our correspondent). -- A curious luminous form, which many people saw moving, Saturday, around 10 p.m. in the sky of Sedan was photographed. An amateur photographer, who took the fresh air at his window in the company of two comrades, suddenly saw in the sky a luminous disc which moved at a high speed.

Grabbing his camera, he managed to take two impressive shots with exposure times Of one or two seconds.

This lighting phenomenon has been seen by some fifty people, including police officers and several Sedanese personalities.

Meteor or flying saucer, opinions are divided.

On the other hand, it is pointed out that in Thin-le-Moutier, a village in the district of Mezière, a Woman would have seen a flying saucer land less than thirty meters away from her and frightened, she Would have immediately lost consciousness. Since then that person, who enjoys general esteem in the country, suffers from a strange skin disease and is obliged to stay in her bedroom.

[Ref. jve3:] JACQUES VALLEE:

Jacques Vallée indicates that on October 16, 1954, in Thin-le-Moutier in the department of Isère [!], a "flying saucer" was reported to have landed 30 meters away from a woman who is said to have lost consciousness and to have then suffered from a skin disease.

Jacques Vallée adds that he does not make any judgment yet on the value of the testimony neither on the sincerity of the witnesses nor on the plausibility of the reported facts.

[Ref. jjve3:] JACQUES ET JANNINE VALLEE:

Very often, these observations took on a more dramatic character, provoking in the witnesses violent nervous reactions. On October 16, 1954, in Thin-les-Moutiers (Isère) a "flying saucer" reportedly "landed" at 30 m of a woman who reportedly lost consciousness. The person reportedly then suffered from a skin disease.

[Ref. jve1:] JACQUES VALLEE:

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271) October 16, 1954 (Approximate date) Thin le Moutiers (France):

An object landed about 30 m away from a woman, who fainted. The witness suffered from a skin disease following the incident. (Challenge 53)

[Ref. jve2:] JACQUES VALLEE:

271

Oct. 16, 1954 Thin le Moutiers (France). Approximate date.

An object landed about 30 m away from a woman, who fainted. The witness suffered from a skin disease following the incident. (Challenge 53)

[Ref. gal1:] CHARLES GARREAU AND RAYMOND LAVIER:

The two authors indicate that the date for this case in Thin-le-Moutier in the Ardennes is not precisely known.

They indicate that in the morning, a young woman, Jeanne Rossignon, went to get the cows in a pasture close to the village to bring them back to the farm for milking them. When she arrived at the top of a small hill, she found herself face to face with a machine posed on the ground at a very short distance. She fainted almost at the same time.

When she recovered consciousness, the machine was not there anymore. She managed to return home, but she had to confine to bed. She suffered during several days from a strange dermatitis which disappeared only slowly: her skin resembled a toad's skin.

Professor Villequez, specialist in dermatology in the Faculty of Medicine in Dijon, to whom which Charles Garreau submitted this case, told him:

"Such reactions are frequent following violent emotional shocks. The young woman thus did not invent this story."

[Ref. prn1:] PETER ROGERSON - "INTCAT":

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449 16 October 1954 (appx date)

THIN LE MOUTIERS (FRANCE) An object landed about 30m away from a woman who fainted. She suffered from a skin disease following the incident. (M271; Challenge 53)

[Ref. fru1:] MICHEL FIGUET AND JEAN-LOUIS RUCHON:

The authors indicate that on October 16, 1954 at an unspecified hour close to Thin-le-Moutier, Jeanne Rossignon went to get her cows in a pasture close to the village to back bring them to the farm to milk them.

Arriving at the top of a small hillock she was confronted with a craft posed on the ground within 30 meters of her, and almost at the same time, she fainted.

When she regained consciousness, the craft had disappeared. She returned home and had to stay in bed. A strange dermatitis started and she had a skin like that of a toad during several day. A professor of the Faculty of Medicine of Dijon alerted by ufologist Charles Garreau looked after her.

The authors indicate that the sources are the Vallée catalogue, case 271, C. Garreau and R. Lavier in "Face aux E.T." pages 27,28, and "Challenge 53".

[Ref. mft1:] MICHEL FIGUET - FRANCAT:

Nr of the J. C. Fumoux list Nr of Francat list Localization Date Class Credibility Sources Number of W
093 212 Thin-le-Moutier 16/10 CE2 NI RS 2-p 171 1 T

[Ref. mft2:] MICHEL FIGUET - FRANCAT:

CASE Nr CLASSIFICATION DATE HOUR PLACE ZIP CODE CREDIBILITY SOURCE
217 CE2 16 10 1954 hnp [=hour not specified] Thin-les Moutier 08460 B3 NI [= unidentified], OVNI [= [fru1]]: p. 171

[Ref. jsr1:] JEAN SIDER:

Jean Sider discovered the article of the newspaper "Le Lorrain" for October 21, 1954, and thus summarizes the incident:

On October 16, 1954, at an unspecified time, in Thin-le-Moutier in the Ardennes, Mrs. Jeanne Rossignon went to get her cows. She saw a machine landed on the ground thirty meters away, and it seems that she lost consciousness because of her fright.

Jean Sider also quotes the indication of Michel Figuet: a strange dermatitis affected Mrs. Rossignon, during several days, her skin taking an aspect of a toad's skin. Another source indicates that the witness suffered of a strange disease since this day and had to remain inside the house.

[Ref. cnu1:] ERIC MAILLOT - "CNEGU" UFOLOGY GROUP:

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October 16, 1954, ?, Thin le Moutier (R ?2).

Ph: Object on the ground at 30m

Alleged effect: Fainting and skin rash

Id: Anecdotal + psychosomatic skin rash on impressionnable witness + media influence "F. S." + still no flying objet!

[Ref. lhh1:] LARRY HATCH - "*U* COMPUTER DATABASE":

4157: 1954/10/16 13:00 6 4:30:00 E 49:43:00 N 3321 WEU FRN ADN 8:8

THIN-le-MOUTIER,FR:UFO LANDS 30M AWAY:WOMAN FAINTS:GETS SKIN DISEASE:/LDLN#103

Ref# 3 VALLEE:UFO ENIGMA: Challenge/Science Page No. 65 : FOREST

[Ref. goe1:] GODELIEVE VAN OVERMEIRE:

The Belgian ufologist indicates that in 1954, at the approximate date of October 16 in France in Thin-Le Moutiers, the Ardennes, "an object lands at approximately 30 m of a woman who faints. The witness suffered from a skin disease following this incident."

The source is indicated as "Challenge 53 (Jacques Vallée: "Chronique des apparitions ET" - DENOEL 1972 - COLL. J'AI LU - p. 283)".

She adds: "Jeanne Rossignon seeks the cows to milk them at the farm. While arriving at the top of a small coast she is in front of a machine posed on the ground at very short distance. Almost at the same time she faints. When she regains consciousness, the machine had disappeared. She succeeds in reaching home but must be confined to bed. A strange dermatitis started which only disappears very slowly: during several days the skin of the young woman resembles the skin of a toad."

The source is indicated as "GARREAU et LAVIER: "Face aux extra-terrestres" - DELARGE 1975, J'ai Lu, p. 29, 30".

[Ref. jca1:] JACQUES COSTAGLIOLA, MD:

French ufologist and MD Jacques Costagliola entered in his listing:

date place witnesses wounds bibliography
10.16.2004 F Thin-le-Moutier 8 1 Dermatitis LDN 347

[Ref. gdn1:] GEOFF DITTMAN:

Year Month Day Location Region Country Participant Type Effect 1 Effect 2 Effect 3 Effect 4 Effect 5 Effect 6 Effect 7 Effect 8 Effect 9 Effect 10 Effect 11 beam of light? Source Source 2
1954 May 16 Thin le Moutiers France woman injury rash Cashman

[Ref. gdn2:] GEOFF DITTMAN:

Witness: Woman

Location: Thin le Moutiers, France

Date: May 16, 1954

Time:

After a close encounter with a UFO, the woman suffered from a "skin disease" (Cashman, http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/5623/eyeskin.htm)

[Ref. cnu2:] GROUPE D'UFOLOGIE "CNEGU":

L'Ardennais for October 3, 2004

[... other cases...]

On 16 October in Thin-le-Moutier (08), a female farmer fainted while discovering an "object" placed on the ground. There is nothing left when she wakes up. She will develop a skin disorder related to emotional shock.

[... other cases...]

[Ref. djn1:] DONALD JOHNSON:

Encounters with Aliens on this Day

October 16

1954 - On or about this date a UFO landed in Thin le Moutiers, France only thirty meters away from a woman, who promptly fainted. Following the incident the witness suffered from a skin condition that she linked to the encounter. (Sources: Jacques Vallee, Challenge to Science: the UFO Enigma, p. 53; Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia: A Century of Landings, p. 231).

[Ref. jbu1:] JEROME BEAU:

Saturday, October 16, 1954

In Thin-le-Moutiers (Isère) a woman sees a flying saucer land at 30 m and faints. She suffers from a skin disease thereafter.

The source is indicated as "Vallée 1966, 53".

[Ref. lcn1:] LUC CHASTAN:

Luc Chastan indicates that in the Ardennes in Thin le Moutier on October 16, 1954 at an unknown hour, "a woman seeks the cows to milk them at the farm. While arriving at the top of a small coast she is in front of a machine posed on the ground at very short distance. Almost at the same time she faints. When she regains consciousness, the machine had disappeared. She succeeds in reaching home but must be confined to bed. A strange dermatitis started which only disappears very slowly: during several days the skin of the young woman resembles the skin of a toad."

The sources are indicated as "Face aux Extra terrestres by Garreau and Lavier ** DELARGE 1975," and "Chroniques des apparitions E.T. by Vallée Jacques ** DENOEL 1972 - coll. J'AI L".

[Ref. uda1:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:

The website indicates that on 16 October 1954 at 21:30 in Thin le Moutiers, France, "An object landed about 30 meters away from a woman. Explanation: Meteor." And: "On or about this date a UFO landed in Thin le Moutiers, France only thirty meters away from a woman, who promptly fainted. Following the incident the witness suffered from a skin condition that she linked to the encounter."

And: "An object landed about 30 meters away from a woman, who fainted. The witness suffered from a skin disease following the incident. Approximate date. A meteor-like object was observed. One object was observed by several witnesses."

The sources are indicated as Michel, Aime, Flying Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery, S. G. Phillips, New York, 1958; Vallee, Jacques, Computerized Catalog (N = 3073); Schoenherr, Luis, Computerized Catalog (N = 3173).

[Ref. uda2:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:

The website indicates that on 16 October 1954 at 22:00 in Thin-le-Moutier, France "UFO lands 30m away from woman. She faints, develops skin disease." And: "Reported encounter with inhuman beings involving radiation effects. One object, about 1 foot across, around 100 feet away, was observed by one female witness, an experienced observor, in a forest for over six minutes."

The sources are indicated as Sparks, Brad, Computer Catalog of Type 9 Cases (N=150); Bowen, Charles, The Humanoids: FSR Special Edition No. 1, FSR, London, 1966; Vallee, Jacques, Computerized Catalog (N = 3073); Vallee, Jacques, Challenge to Science: The UFO Enigma, Henry Regnery, Chicago, 1966; Vallee, Jacques, A Century of Landings (N = 923), (in JVallee04), Chicago, 1969; Schoenherr, Luis, Computerized Catalog (N = 3173); Hatch, Larry, *U* computer database, Author, Redwood City, 2002.

[Ref. nip1:] "THE NICAP WEBSITE":

*Oct. 16, 1954 - On or about this date a UFO landed in Thin le Moutiers, France only thirty meters away from a woman, who promptly fainted. Following the incident the witness suffered from a skin condition that she linked to the encounter. (Sources: Jacques Vallee, Challenge to Science: the UFO Enigma, p. 53; Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia: A Century of Landings, p. 231, case #271).

[Ref. ubk1:] "UFO-DATENBANK":

This database recorded this case seven times instead of one:

Case Nr. New case Nr. Investigator Date of observation Zip Place of observation Country of observation Hour of observation Classification Comments Identification
19541016 16.10.1954 Thin Moutier France
19541016 16.10.1954 Thin Moutier France
19541016 16.10.1954 Thin Moutier France CE II
19541016 16.10.1954 Thin Moutier France
19541016 16.10.1954 Thin Moutier France
19541016 16.10.1954 Thin Moutier France
19541016 16.10.1954 Thin Moutier France

[Ref. prn2:] PETER ROGERSON - "INTCAT":

October 16 1954. (Approx date) Morning.

THIN-LE-MOUTIERS (ARDENNES : FRANCE)

Jeanne Roignon [sic], a young woman, was bringing in the cows from the pasture for milking, when, on a small hill 30m away, she saw a strange devise and almost fainted. She suffered from a skin disease like toad skin for some days afterwards.

Explanations:

The main issue here is that no description of the "object" or "saucer" is known to me, it may not even have been reported at the time.

So I do not see how this could be explained one way or another. I stay with "insufficient information."

Keywords:

(These keywords are only to help queries and are not implying anything.)

Thin-le-Moutiers, Ardennes, Jeanne Rossignon, object, landing, effects, skin, disease, faint, unconscious

Sources:

[----] indicates sources that are not yet available to me.

Document history:

Version: Created/Changed by: Date: Change Description:
0.1 Patrick Gross January 26, 2006 First published.
1.0 Patrick Gross December 28, 2009 Conversion from HTML to XHTML Strict. First formal version. Additions [goe1], [jbu1], [lcn1], [uda1], [uda2].
1.1 Patrick Gross July 2, 2010 Additions [gdn1], [gdn2].
1.2 Patrick Gross October 15, 2014 Addition [nip1].
1.3 Patrick Gross December 2, 2016 Additions [ler1], [cnu1], [ubk1].
1.4 Patrick Gross November 21, 2019 Additions [jjv1], [prn1], [mft1], [mft2], [lhh1], [cnu2], [prn2]. Explanations changed, were "Not looked for yet."

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