France 1954 -> Homeclick!

Cette page en françaisCliquez!

The 1954 French flap:

The index page for the 1954 French flap section of this website is here.

< Previous  All  Next >

October 16, 1954, Domérat, Allier:

Reference for this case: 16-Oct-54-Domérat.
Please cite this reference in any correspondence with me regarding this case.


The newspaper Centre-Matin for October 22, 1954, had reported - according to several ufology catalogs - that on October 16, 1954, at Domérat at 9:30 p.m., Mr. Louis Boudeau saw, coming from the east and seeming to follow a wide arc of a circle, "a luminous craft followed by a long white trail with blue-green tints." The disk-like apparatus disappeared rapidly and silently towards the west. Mr. Albert Bizet de Couraud had also seen the appearance.

It should be noted that this case said to be of "Domérat" was mixed with those in "Arpheuilles-Saint-Priest", the two places being cited, and the "Boudeau" name being spelled "Bourdeau" in other sources.


[Ref. aml1:] AIME MICHEL:

Aimé Michel wrote about the October 16, 1954, 09:30 p.m. meteor:

THE TEST OF THE METEOR. October 16, as if it was purposely, a splendid meteor crossed the north of France towards 09:30 p.m.. It was observed on a score of departments by thousands of people, from the Allier to Lorraine and from the Swiss border to Paris. Naturally many witnesses believed to have seen a Flying Saucer and said so. The newspapers printed "Flying Saucer in Orly", or "in Montididier", or "in Metz." But once again the description made by all these weak brains appeared of a remarkable honesty.


The innumerable gathered testimonys show indeed that even when the witnesses called "Flying saucer" the observed object, their description is identical on 200.000 square kilometres where the visible phenomenon was visible: an "orange ball followed by a trail", a "large luminous ball with a tail", a "flying egg followed by a trail", a "bottle's bottom with a trail of thirty times its diameter", etc. The same phenomenon is uniformly described.


[Ref. jve5:] JACQUES VALLEE:

291 -002.53593 46.35900 11 10 1954 DOMERAT F 151 C** 273


10/16/1954 Dorémat [sic] Les Gozis (09:30 p.m.).

Mr. Louis Boudeau saw coming from the east and seeming to make a large arc of a circle, a luminous machine followed by a long white trail with blue-green reflections. The disk-like device disappeared quickly and silently towards the west. Mr. Albert Bizet de Couraud was also question [sic] of the appearance. (Centre Matin for 10/22/1954).


October 16 (Centre Matin for 10/22) Domérat-les-Gozis 09:30 p.m..

Mr. Louis Boudeau perceived, coming from the E and seeming to make a vast arc of circle, a vast luminous machine followed by a white trail with blue-green reflections. It disappeared towards the W. At Couraud, Mr. Albert Bizet makes the same observation.

[Ref. ioi1:] "INFO-OVNI" MAGAZINE:

020 10/16/1954 09:30 p.m. Domérat (Les Gozis) witness Mr. Boudeau.

The witness observed a disc-shaped object that seemed to describe an arc in the sky (Cf case O17) (Centre Matin for 10/22/54.)


The two authors note this case of October 16, 1954:

"Domerat-les-Gozis - 03 - 09:30 p.m.: investigation (two witnesses interrogated). Obvious description of a fireball. The press talked of a vast "craft" which could have the shape of a disc."

Further in their book, they claim that "the few serious investigators" who had admitted the fact that it was a meteor which had generated this type of observations were the technicians of the scientific office of the Air Force.


17. Dommerat (Allier), on October 16, 1954. B&B version: Obvious description of a bolide. The press was talking about a vast machine that could have the shape of a disk... delirium of Centre-Matin of October 22 on the case of Dommerat. LDLN version: It is the witness himself who wrote to Centre-Matin (October 22, 1954 issue) to say that he saw a disc, not a cigar. There is no more trace of delirium in Centre-Matin on the 22nd, unless for B&B the mere fact of admitting that a witness saw something weird is a case of "delirium".

[Ref. jsr1:] JEAN SIDER:

22 - Case of Domérat, Allier.

As regards this incident, which took place at the same time as that of Arpheuilles mentioned above, and which our duettists also refer to as a "bolide", here are the exact terms of the alleged "delirium" of Centre-Matin of October 22, page 3: "We continue to receive letters from readers... Today, our correspondent is Mr. Louis Bourdeau, Les Gozis, Domérat. He does not agree on the shape of the object and classifies it rather among the saucers than among the cigars. Let him express himself: "Having read the article of Centre-Matin reporting the passage of a flying cigar on Saturday at 9:30 p.m., I would like to give you some details that will support the statements of the two other witnesses to this show. At the same time on Saturday evening, five members of my family, including myself and a friend, saw a luminous craft followed by a long luminous trail, coming from the east and seeming to describe an arc of a circle. The vision lasted about ten seconds and disappeared towards the west at high speed without any noise. The craft appeared to us to have the shape of a disc rather than a cigar and did not appear to be moving at a very high altitude. Before observing the craft, the moped of our friend, Mr. Albert Bizet, residing in Couraud, commune of Domérat, had broken down, and he had tried in vain to make it restart, he had not succeeded. When the craft disappeared, the moped could be started again".

If we consult the list of people thanked, very instructive, we can find on page 221 a Mr. Albert Bise, and a Mr. Louis Roudeau, mistyped names copied from an erroneous file. Plus, here's what B & B tell on this case: "Domérat-les-Gozis, Allier, 9:30 p.m.: investigation (two witnesses questioned). Obvious description of a nolide. The press spoke of a "huge craft" which could have the shape of a disk".

What "huge craft"? This terminology does not appear in the "delusional" letter reproduced above. One more invention by B & B. Also, the testimony of Mr. Bourdeau confirms that of Mr. Sivade, and if he saw a disc in place of a cigar from a different place, that means that the phenomenon was moving at low altitude and that it was noticed by this witness (and five other people) from a different angle.

As for stopping the engine of a moped for a moment, it is a performance that a large meteorite is quite incapable of doing, something that Schatzman himself should be able to admit...

Note that the journalist ends his article by suggesting that the momentary stop of the moped may have been fortuitous. Is this the "delirium" put forward by B & B? It seems to me, however, that this is the reaction of a man who wants to remain rational.

Who is delirious? Who invents? Wouldn't that be more B&B?


"Mystyped names: references to Centre-Matin indicate that the witnesses were not contacted, and that their surnames misspelled for unknown reasons were added to the list of acknowledgments to inflate it and impresses the naive. Closer checks would show, I am convinced, that some of these names, at the time of the B&B "contacts", should be on graves! See for example the case of Jonches (nr 12) which can enter in this category...

[Ref. uda1:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:

The website indicates that on 11 October 1954 at 20:45 in Domerat, France, "A flying disc was observed. One disc was observed by one witness (Magnier)."

The sources are indicated as Michel, Aime, Flying Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery, S. G. Phillips, New York, 1958; Vallee, Jacques, Computerized Catalog (N = 3073); Vallee, Jacques, Challenge to Science: The UFO Enigma, Henry Regnery, Chicago, 1966; Vallee, Jacques, Preliminary Catalog (N = 500), (in JVallee01); Newspaper Clippings.

[Ref. ubk1:] "UFO-DATENBANK":

This database recorded this case 4 times:

Case Nr. New case Nr. Investigator Date of observation Zip Place of observation Country of observation Hour of observation Classification Comments Identification
19541011 11.10.1954 Domerat France 20.45
19541011 11.10.1954 Domerat France 20.45
19541011 11.10.1954 Domerat France
19541011 11.10.1954 Domerat France



The meteor of October 16, 1954, at 09:30 p.m.

It should be noted that this case said to be of "Domérat" was mixed with those in "Arpheuilles-Saint-Priest", the two places being cited, and the "Boudeau" name being spelled "Bourdeau" in other sources.


(These keywords are only to help queries and are not implying anything.)

Domérat, Domérat-les-Gozis, Allier, night, Albert Bizet, Couraud, Louis Boudeau, craft, luminous, trail, white, reflections, blue, green, disc, fast, silent


[----] indicates sources that are not yet available to me.

Document history:

Version: Created/Changed by: Date: Change Description:
0.1 Patrick Gross January 28, 2006 First published.
1.0 Patrick Gross December 27, 2009 Conversion from HTML to XHTML Strict. First formal version. Addition [uda1].
1.1 Patrick Gross June 28, 2010 Addition [jve5].
1.2 Patrick Gross February 21, 2017 Addition [ubk1].
1.3 Patrick Gross December 21, 2018 Additions [ldl1], [ous1], [ioi1], [ldl2], Summary. Explanations changed, were "The meteor of October 16, 1954, at 09:30 p.m."
1.4 Patrick Gross July 2, 2022 Addition [jsr1].

Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict

 Feedback  |  Top  |  Back  |  Forward  |  Map  |  List |  Home
This page was last updated on July 2, 2022.