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October 13, 1954, Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon, Saône-et-Loire:

Reference number for this case: 14-oct-54-StRomain. Thank you for including this reference number in any correspondence with me regarding this case.

Summary:

In his 1958 book on the French wave of 1954, Aimé Michel reported that on October 14, 1954, "Mr. B.", residing at Quai Jules-Chagot in Montceau-les-Mines, was riding on a moped on the road that joins Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon and Les Brosses-Tillots in the Saone-et-Loire department.

The engine of his moped suddenly stopped for no apparent reason.

Aimé Michel noted that the restart of the engine is done simply by magnetic wheel that is operated by pedaling, but although he did that, Mr. B. could not restart the engine.

He dismounted, and a bright light sprang up in front of him some fifty meters away, revealing a circular craft which he said would look like a plate turned upside down.

Mr. B. watched this show with astonishment first, then he was worried and decided to go back by pushing his moped. When he managed to turn back to where the engine had stalled, the engine restarted spontaneously, to his astonishment.

In 1979, the newly "skeptical" ufologists Gérard Barthel and Jacques Brucker betrayed themselves by revealing involuntarily that their "investigations" on this case were imaginary; indeed, they believed that there were two different cases, one at "Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon - 71 - 19 h 25" which be a "hoax after investigation", and the other from "Les Brosses-Tillots" - 71 - 07:25 p.m." which also would be a "hoax after investigation." They did note that it would be only one phenomenon but which would have had two witnesses, the one in Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon and the other at Les Brosses Tillots...

In 1997, Jean Sider was the first to indicate a contemporary source, the newspaper Le Petit Maçonnais for October 18, 1954. He denounced the cheating by Barthel and Brucker, he specified that it took place at dusk (so around 06:15 p.m. and not 07:30 p.m. as Barthel and Brucker and then others wrote).

Sider quoted the newspaper article:

"A Mr. B.., residing quai Jules Chagot, in Montceau-les-Mines, riding a moped on the road from St. Romain sous Gourdon to Les Brosses-Tillots, was surprised to find that his engine stalled, for no apparent reason. It stopped, preventing him from continuing on his way. Looking in the direction of a small wood, he was stunned to see a very bright glow which spread out some fifty meters from him and which was emitted by a craft resembling a plate turned upside down, The "saucer", he told us, could be six to eight meters in diameter, and he turned his back on his moped as soon as he had left what he called the magnetic field of the craft. Mr. B. has not yet recovered, he regrets that no one was with him to see with their own eyes that he had been in the presence of one of these craft that created so much talks about them."

However, what no one noted - excepted Figuet and Ruchon in 1986 - is that there was a meteor crossing the sky on that date and that hour, widely seen in the region and beyond.

Reports:

[Ref. aml1:] AIME MICHEL:

Aimé Michel indicates that on October 14, 1954, Mr. B., resident of Jules-Chagot quay at Montceau-the-Mines, was driving his motorcycle on the road which joins Saint-Romain-Sous-Gourdon and Les Brosses-Tillots in the Saone-and-Loire.

The engine of its motorcycle suddenly stopped without apparent reason.

Aimé Michel notes that the restarting of such engine is simply made by magnetic wheel that one actuates by pedaling, but when he did that, Mr. B could nevertheless not restart the engine.

He put foot on the ground, and a sharp light spouted out in front of him at about fifty meter, revealing a circular machine of which he said that it resembled plate turned upside down.

Mr. B looked at this spectacle with astonishment initially, then he became anxious and decided to go away by pushing his motorcycle. When he arrived at the place where the engine had stopped, the engine started again spontaneously, at his great astonishment.

[Ref. aml3:] AIME MICHEL:

[... Other cases ...]

I will not report here all my attempts to find a solution: elimination of the most dubious cases (but where does the improbable begin?), separate classification of night and day observations, etc., all this to nothing. Finally, having exhausted in vain the resources of my imagination on the map to the millionth, I decided to start again from zero region by region.

Straight lines over France

Second surprise, a big one: out of these five observations, one at a pinch could be taken for a bolide (Poligny) while the other four were, the first (Saint-Germain-du-Bois) a motionless luminous object placed on the ground, the second a motionless luminous object, placed on the ground, blocking an engine and extinguishing a headlight (Saint-Roman-sous-Gourdon), the third a luminous object flying over the countryside at high speed at the level of the trees (Départmentale 60), the fourth finally a similar object blocking an engine and turning off the headlights.

I then studied this straight line of 130 kilometers: the alignment, absolutely rigorous for the Bois de Poligny, Saint-Germain, Saint-Romain and Chazey, showed a difference of a few hundred meters for the observation of the Departmental 60: the line passed a little south of the place where the witness was. However, precisely, this witness declares that "the craft flew over him slightly to the right (it was moving from west to east: its right is therefore south) at low altitude, and continued its course towards the west (exactly the line orientation), where it remained visible for several minutes before disappearing into the distance."

To escape such a wonderful series of coincidences (because, to remain faithful to the random interpretation, it is indeed coincidence that we must speak of), I first believed that this straight line was unique, and that it could be explained by the displacement of a helicopter which would have landed at Saint-Germain and Saint-Romain, the too beautiful details having been added by imaginative witnesses. Instead of pinning on my map all the observations of the season, why not try to classify the days, to pin only the pins of the 14th. But the fact that all this happened on October 14 [...]

[... Other cases ...]

[Ref. aml5:] AIME MICHEL:

An odd straight line.

At the time I undertook (after many other attempts) to study the arrangement of observations on a map region by region, when something curious caught my attention to the Center-East of France. From South of Poligny to a spot located near Gueugnon, in the Saône-et-Loire, five observations made a rigorously rectilinear arrangement over a distance of 150 kilometers.

Along this line, from East to West, were the observations of the Wood of Poligny, of Saint-Germain du Bois, of Saint-Romain sous Gourdon, of the Departmental 60 near Ciry le Noble, and Departmental 25 near Chazey Wood. While checking their date I discovered with astonishment that all these cases were all of October 14, then that on the 5 observations, one (Saint-Germain) was a luminous object on the ground, the next one (Saint-Romain) an immobile luminous object, placed on the ground, blocking an engine and extinguishing a headlight, the third a luminous object flying over the country-side (Departmental 60), the fourth a similar object blocking an engine and extinguishing headlights. Only the observation of Poligny could at best be taken for a meteor. All the others had the most incredible characters attributed to the saucers.

This first straight line gave me another idea: since 5 cases of October 14 were aligned, why not examine whether the other cases of the same day did not also present some interesting positions? I discovered then, this same day, a new alignment of 4 observations: Poligny (already on the other line), Palleau (Saône-et-Loire), Meursanges (Côte d'Or), and finally, 460 kilometers away, Méral, in the Mayenne. And Méral was also a ground observation [but the 11th and not the 14th].

(to be continued)

[Ref. mcs1:] "MICHEL CARROUGES":

The author indicates that on October 14, 1954 in the Saone et Loire, Mr. B of Montceau-les-Mines, by motorcycle, saw a light spouting out of a circular object similar to two reversed plates posed at about fifty meters on the road in front of him, and his engine stalled.

The source is noted "M. II, p.268."

[Ref. jve2:] JACQUES VALLEE:

The author indicates that Aimé Michel's second book at page 115 says that M.B., living in Montceau-les-Mines, was riding a motorcycle on the road from St.Romain-sous-Gourdon to Brosse-Tillots in the Saone-et-Loire, when suddenly without apparent reason his motor stopped and could not be started again. He got off and a bright light burst out about 50 yards in front of him, revealing an object that looked, he said, "like a plate turned upside down." He looked in amazement, then, frightened, he decided to turn back, walking and pushing his motorcycle, but when he reached the point where his motor had stopped it started up again.

[Ref. aml4:] AIME MICHEL:

But the idea by Mr. Castou to plot all the sighting of the fla on a single map is nevertheless interesting. It gives for Bavic an unexpected result: this alignment goes from 7 spots (counting la Sierra de Gardunha) to 13 spots perfectly in line (two observations in the south of Dole, one on the departmental road 60 between Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon and les Brosses-Thillot, one in Paray-le-Monial, a second observation in Gelles, one lastly at Orchamps).

[Ref. lcp2:] LEONARD G. CRAMP:

("Fig 48. Table of some typical UFO effects on cars and people at varying distances.")

PLACE. DATE. EFFECTS. APPROX. DISTANCE FROM UFO.
Saone-et-Loire France. October 1954 Motorcycle engine stalled. 150 feet.

[Ref. jve5:] JACQUES VALLEE:

341 -004.42701 46.61100 14 10 1954 19 10 2 BROSSES-TILLOT F 301233 C** 293

[Ref. jve1:] JACQUES VALLEE:

259) October 14, 1954, nightfall, Saint-Romain (France):

Mr. B. saw a circular craft shaped like an upside-down plate. At the same time, the engine on his motorcycle stalled. In the same area an engineer saw a luminous object coming down rapidly. (Anatomy 130).

[Ref. jve3:] JACQUES VALLEE:

October 14, 1954, nightfall, Saint-Romain (France):

Mr. B. saw a circular craft shaped like an upside-down plate. At the same time, the engine on his motorcycle stalled. In the same area an engineer saw a luminous object coming down rapidly. (Anatomy).

[Ref. aml6:] AIME MICHEL:

Then, one day, I thought I saw the beginning of the light. Studying the cases of October 14 on a map of Burgundy, I was struck by the fact that five of them (Poligny, (Saint-Germain-du-Bois, (Les Brosses-Tillots, (Nationale 60 and (the Wood of Chazey) were on a straight line. I then looked for other straight lines, and found a lot of them. Many were dubious, but some of them seemed to defy chance.

[Ref. ask1:] A. SCHOPICK:

Scan.

A short time after the above incident occurred, a witness who apparently did not want his name released came across another UFO. Mr. 8---, living in Montceau-les-Mines, was riding his motorcycle on the road from St.-Romain-sous-Gourdon to Brosses-Thillot, also in Saone-et-Loire. Suddenly the motor of his motorcycle conked out for no apparent reason. As he got off the motorcycle, a bright light burst out in front of him, revealing a circular object that looked "like a plate turned upside down." At first amazed, he watched the object, but then becoming frightened, he decided to turn back, walking and pushing his motorcycle. However, as soon as he reached the spot where the motor had stopped, he found he was able to restart the vehicle.

[Ref. gal1:] CHARLES GARREAU AND RAYMOND LAVIER:

The two ufologists report that on October 13, 1954, at about 8 P.M., between Saint-Romain sous Gourdon in the Saône-et-Loire and Les Brosses-Thillot, an anonymous motorcycle rider, Mr. B., who resides Jules Chagot street in Montceau-les-Mines is surprised to note that the engine of his motorcycle misfires and stops without apparent reason. At the same time, looking in the direction of a small bridge, he sees a very brilliant gleam, which spreads out at some 50 meters, and which is emitted by an object resembling a plate turned over of approximately 6 to 8 meters in diameter.

Frightened, the motorcycle rider turns back, pushing his motorcycle. He had a new surprise: while arriving at the place where his engine had stopped, the motorcycle started out again by itself.

[Ref. ufa1:] UFOLOGY BULLETIN "UFOLOGIA":

Scan.

October 14, 1954 MONTCEAU-LES-MINES

Moped stalled by the light spouting from a circular object placed 50 meters on the road, in front of the witness.

(ref. Aimé MICHEL - "M0C")

[Ref. fru1:] MICHEL FIGUET AND JEAN-LOUIS RUCHON:

The two authors indicate that in Saint-Romain sous Gourdon, in the Saone-et-Loire, on October 14, 1954, at twilight, the witness, Mr. B., circulates on his motorcycle on the road which connects Saint-Romain sous Gourdon to Les Brosses-Tillots, when, without apparent reason, his engine stops. Mr. B. pedals to restart his motorcycle, but in vain. He then puts foot on the ground, it is at this time that he sees a sharp gleam spouting out within fifty meters of him. This gleam is emitted by a circular machine that the witness compares to an upside down saucer. The observer makes the decision to get back by pushing his motorcycle. While arriving, in opposite direction, at the point where the engine had stopped, he was very surprised to note the correct operation of the engine. The object takes off.

The authors indicate that the sources are the Vallée catalogue, case 259; Aimé Michel in "A Propos des S.V." page 213 and "Mystérieux Objets Célestes" pages 292-293; Quincy; and Anatomy 130.

[Ref. bbr1:] GERARD BARTHEL AND JACQUES BRUCKER:

The two authors note this case of October 14, 1954:

"Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon - 71 - 07:25p.m.: hoax after investigation.
Les Brosses-Tillots - 71 - 07:25p.m.: hoax after investigation."

As explanation as to why they made here two sightings of a same event, they indicated in a footnote that it is as if two people on each side of a wall see a pigeon on the wall, it makes one event and not two.

[Ref. mrr1:] MARK RODEGHIER:

October 14, 1954
Nightfall

FRANCE, St. Romain-sous-Gordon: A Mr. B., riding his motorcycle alone to Brosses-Thillot, experienced engine failure. As he got off to investigate, a bright light appeared, which was revealed to be a circular object that looked "like a plate turned upside down." After watching it for some time, he pushed the motorcycle down the road, where it was then restarted. (Michel)

[Ref. mft2:] MICHEL FIGUET:

Nr of the J. C. Fumoux list Nr of Francat list Localization Date Class Credibility Sources Number of W
084 205 Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon 10/14 CE0 E [= Explained] Meteor 52-p. 163 1 W

[Ref. mft3:] MICHEL FIGUET:

This ufologist noted:

CASE Nr CLASSIFICATION DATE HOUR PLACE ZIP CODE CREDIBILITY SOURCE
205 CE0 10 14 1954 nightfall b Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon and les Brosses-Tillots 71 e[= explained] (Meteor) p. 163

[Ref. mft1:] FRANCAT - MICHEL FIGUET:

In an extract of his Francat catalogue, Michel Figuet recorded that the case of the CE0 type between St Romain and Les Brosses Tillots as well as the one in Montceau-les-Mines was in the twilight, a "confusion with the fall of a fireball."

[Ref. jsr1:] JEAN SIDER:

Jean Sider found in the newspaper "Le Petit Maçonnais" of October 18, 1954, that on October 14, at dusk, in St. Romain-sous-Gourdon / Les Brosses-Tillots, an anonymous witness experienced the following close encounter.

He was riding his motorcycle, when its engine suddenly stopped. He was not able to restart it. At this time, he saw a sharp gleam spouting out within 50 meters of him.

The gleam was emitted by a circular machine resembling a plate turned over. The witness backed off, and noted that the engine of its motorcycle started again at the time when he passed the place where it had ceased functioning.

Jean Sider indicates that the counter-investigation by Barthel and Brucker on the case is "imaginary."

He gives his demonstration for this by noting that the case "Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon" and the case "Les Brosses-Tillots" are a single case, which occurred between these two localities, whereas Barthel and Brucker quote them as explained each one by an investigation as if they were two different cases - but, argues Sider, if they had really investigated they would not have failed to note that this is only one case.

Jean Sider indicates further in his book that the newspaper "Le Petit Mâconnais" for October 18, 1954 had reported the incident on page 5 like this:

"Mr. B..., remaining quay Jules Chagot, in Montceau-les-Mines, circulated my motor-cycle on the road which goes from St Romain sous Gourdon to the Brosses-Tillots, was surprised to note that its engine, without apparent reason, stopped, preventing him from continuing his road. While looking at in the direction of a small wood, he was amazed to see a very brilliant gleam which spread out at some fifty meters of him and which was emitted by an apparatus resembling a plate turned upside down. The "saucer", he told us, could have from six to eight meters in diameter. Mr. B... made a U-turn and his motor-cycle started as soon as he had left what he calls the magnetic field of the apparatus. Mr. B... is still amazed, he considers it regrettable that nobody was with him to note with their own eyes that he had indeed been in the presence of one of these machines that are so much discussed."

Jean Sider estimates that the hoaxes are generally more elaborate than this, with occupants and many details as in cases by anonymous letters addressed to the newspapers.

He notes that whereas the witness had asked for anonymity, his address was given and that if Barthel and Brucker had truly inquired they could have found him and given his name to prove it, but that they worked from a file stuffed with errors and "thus this is additional cheating no doubt about it."

[Ref. lgs1:] LOREN GROSS:

Scan.

14 October. Between St-Romain-sous-Gourdon and Brosses-Thillot, France. Night)

Motor stopped. "Like a plate turned upside down."

Michel wrote:

"... M. B-, living in Montceau-les-Mines, was riding a motorcycle on the road from St-Romain-sous-Gourdon to Brosses-Thillot, also in Saone-et-Loire. Suddenly without any apparent reason his motor stopped and could not be started again. He got off, and a bright light burst out about fifty yards in front of him, revealing a circular object that looked, he said, 'like a plate turned upside down.'

"M. B- looked at the sight in amazement, then in fear, and decided to turn back, walking and pushing his motorcycle. But when he reached the point where his motor had stopped, it started up again." (xx.)

(xx.) Michel, Aime. Flying Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery. p.175.

[Ref. lhh1:] LARRY HATCH - "*U* COMPUTER DATABASE":

4122: 1954/10/14 19:40 12 4:25:20 E 46:37:20 N 3333 WEU FRN S&L 8:8

nr BROSSES TILLOTS,FR:MCYCLE DIES:7M CLASSIC SCR/CHAZEY WOODS:/r217p28+/r2p179

Ref#138 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1954/10 bks Book # 9 Page 45 : FOREST

[Ref. goe1:] GODELIEVE VAN OVERMEIRE:

Godelieve van Overmeire indicates that in 1954, on October 14, in France, in Montceau les Mines, "M.B. residing quay Jules Chagot circulated in the twilight, between St Romain sous Gourdon and les Brosses-Tillots by motorcycle, when without apparent reason his engine stopped. He put foot at ground and at 50 m in front of him spouts out a circular object resembling a reversed plate."

The source is noted "Aimé Michel: 'M.O.C.' Seghers pub., p. 234"

[Ref. jbu1:] JEROME BEAU:

Thursday, October 14, 1954

In the twilight - In Saint-Romain (France), M. B. sees a circular craft in the shape of a plate turned upside down. At the same time, the engine of his motor bike stalls. In the same area, an engineer observes a luminous object going down quickly.

Jérome Beau indicates as source "Vallée, J., Anatomy 130".

[Ref. jbu2:] JEROME BEAU:

October 14, 1954
Nightfall

FRANCE, St. Romain-sous-Gordon: A Mr. B., riding his motorcycle aIone to Brosses-Thillot, experienced engine failure. As he got off to investigate, a bright light appeared, which was revealed to be a circular object that looked "like a plate turned upside down." After watching it for some time, he pushed the motorcycle down the road, where it was then restarted. (Michel)

[Ref. lcn1:] LUC CHASTAN:

Luc Chastan indicates in his database that in the Saone et Loire in St Romain sous Gourdon on October 14, 1954 at 20:00 hours, "at twilight, the witness circulates by motor cycle on the road which connects Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon to les Brosses-Tillots, when, without apparent reason, his engine stops. Mr. B pedals to restart his motorcycle, but in vain. He then puts foot at ground, it is at this time that he sees a sharp gleam spouting out within fifty meters of him. This gleam is emitted by a circular machine that the witness compares to a plate turned upside down. The observer chooses to make a U turn pushing his vehicle. While arriving, in opposite direction, at the point where the engine had stopped, he was very surprised to note the correct operation of the latter. The object takes off."

The source is noted: "Ovni, Premier dossier complet... by Figuet M./ Ruchon J.L. ** Alain Lefeuvre pub. 1979".

[Ref. uda1:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:

The website indicates that on 14 October 1954 at dusk in St Romain, France, there was a sighting.

The source is indicated as Bowen, Charles, The Humanoids: FSR Special Edition No. 1, FSR, London, 1966.

[Ref. djn2:] DONALD JONHSON:

Donald Johnson indicates that on October 14, 1954, between Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon and les Brosses-Tillots, Saone-et-Loire a motorcyclist saw a circular craft shaped like an upside-down plate just after dark. At the same time the engine on his motorcycle stalled. After watching it for some time, he pushed the motorcycle down the road, where it could be restarted. In the same area an engineer also saw a luminous object coming down rapidly.

The sources are indicated as Aime Michel, Flying Saucers and the Straight Line Mystery, p. 175; Jacques Vallee, Anatomy of a Phenomenon, p. 130; Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia: A Century of Landings, case # 259; Larry Hatch, U computer database, case # 3919; Michel Carrouges, Les Apparitions de Martiens, p. 128.

[Ref. nip1:] "THE NICAP WEBSITE":

*Oct. 14, 1954 - Between Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon and les Brosses-Tillots, Saone-et-Loire department, France Mr. B. saw a circular craft shaped like an upside-down plate just after dark. At the same time, the engine on his motorcycle stalled. After watching for some time, he pushed the motorcycle down the road, where it could be restarted. In the same area an engineer also saw a luminous object coming down rapidly. (Sources: Aime Michel, Flying Saucers and the Straight Line Mystery, p. 175; Jacques Vallee, Anatomy of a Phenomenon, p. 130; Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia: A Century of Landings, case # 259; Larry Hatch, U computer database, case # 3919; Michel Carrouges, Les Apparitions de Martiens, p. 128).

[Ref. ubk1:] "UFO-DATENBANK":

This database recorded this case 12 times:

Case Nr. New case Nr. Investigator Date of observation Zip Place of observation Country of observation Hour of observation Classification Comments Identification
19541014 14.10.1954 St. Romain Gourdon France Nightfall CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 St. Romain Gourdon France Nightfall CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 St. Romain Gourdon France Nightfall CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 St. Romain France Nightfall
19541014 14.10.1954 St. Romain Gourdon France Nightfall CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 Les Brosses Tillots France Nightfall CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 Les Brosses Tillots France Nightfall CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 Les Brosses Tillots France CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 Les Brosses Tillots France CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 Les Brosses Tillots France CE II
19541014 14.10.1954 St. Romain France Nightfall
19541014 14.10.1954 Brosses Thillot France CE II

[Ref. prn2:] PETER ROGERSON - "INTCAT":

October 14 1954. Tombée de la nuit.

ST ROMAIN-SOUS-GOURDON (SAONE ET LOIRE : FRANCE)

Mr B was motorcycling from St Romain to Brosses-Thillot when his motor stopped. A brilliant light revealed a circular object "like a plate upside down" about 50m ahead. When he retreated the cycle began to function again

Michel 1958b p176

Vallee 1966a p130

Evaluation - That meteor again

Explanations:

Carte.

It is not proven that it was the meteor of 06:10 p.m. that day, but however, the presence of the meteor should have been mentioned.

"Maneuvering as if to land" can create the mental image of a craft that performs various and complex maneuvers; but it can obviously just as well only mean: descending.

Keywords:

(These keywords are only to help queries and are not implying anything.)

Saint-Romain-sous-Gourdon, Saône-et-Loire, craft, object, circular, saucer, plate, engine, stop, stall, luminous, motorbike, road, failure

Sources:

[----] indicates sources that are not yet available to me.

Document history:

Version: Created/Changed by: Date: Change Description:
0.1 Patrick Gross September 25, 2004 First published.
1.0 Patrick Gross April 4, 2009 Conversion from HTML to XHTML Strict. First formal version. Additions [mrr1], [goe1], [jbu1], [jbu2], [lcn1], [uda1].
1.1 Patrick Gross December 25, 2009 Addition [mcs1].
1.2 Patrick Gross February 28, 2010 Additions [so1], [djn2].
1.3 Patrick Gross June 29, 2010 Addition [jve5].
1.4 Patrick Gross July 3, 2010 Addition [lcp2].
1.5 Patrick Gross November 15, 2014 Addition [nip1].
1.6 Patrick Gross February 23, 2017 Addition [ubk1].
1.7 Patrick Gross July 13, 2019 Additions [aml5], [aml6], [mft3], [lhh1], [prn2], Summary. Explanations changed, were "Not looked for yet."
1.8 Patrick Gross August 17, 2021 Additions [aml3], [ask1], [ufa1], [lgs1], [mft2].

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