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URECAT - UFO Related Entities Catalog

URECAT is a formal catalog of UFO related entities sightings reports with the goal of providing quality information for accurate studies of the topic. Additional information, corrections and reviews are welcome at patrick.gross@inbox.com, please state if you wish to be credited for your contribution or not. The main page of the URECAT catalog is here.

OCTOBER 1954, VILLENEUVE-SUR-LOT, LOT-ET-GARONNE, FRANCE, MR. MOLENAER:

Brief summary of the event and follow-up:

A regional newspaper for October 18, 1954 is said to have reported that in Villeneuve-sur-Lot, Mr. Molenaer, building painter, was fishing by day on the banks of the river Lot, when he saw various luminous phenomena at a hundred meters.

He then saw an apparatus shaped like a saucer land gently and without noise on the river Lot.

A small being came out and filled a bottle from there with water of the river. After a few seconds, the being went inside his apparatus which flew away at "a tremendous speed."

A duet of French skeptical ufologists said in the 70's that it was a hoax, without providing further information.

Basic information table:

Case number: URECAT-000241
Date of event: October 1954
Earliest report of event: October 18, 1954
Delay of report: Days?
Witness reported via: Not known.
First alleged record by: Newspaper.
First certain record by: Ufology book.
First alleged record type: Newspaper.
First certain record type: Ufology book.
This file created on: July 12, 2007
This file last updated on: December 21, 2016
Country of event: France
State/Department: Lot-et-Garonne
Type of location: Near and on river.
Lighting conditions: Day
UFO observed: Yes
UFO arrival observed: Yes
UFO departure observed: Yes
UFO/Entity Relation: Certain
Witnesses numbers: 1
Witnesses ages: Not reported. Adult.
Witnesses types: Building painter.
Photograph(s): No.
Witnesses drawing: No.
Witnesses-approved drawing: No.
Number of entities: 1
Type of entities: Not reported.
Entities height: Small
Entities outfit type: Not reported.
Entities outfit color: Not reported.
Entities skin color: Not reported.
Entities body: Not reported.
Entities head: Not reported.
Entities eyes: Two, large, black.
Entities mouth: Not reported.
Entities nose: Not reported.
Entities feet: Not reported.
Entities arms: Not reported.
Entities fingers: Not reported.
Entities fingers number: Not reported.
Entities hair: Not reported.
Entities voice: Not reported.
Entities actions: Came out of UFO, took water from the river in a bottle, went back in, departure.
Entities/witness interactions: None.
Witness(es) reactions: Observed.
Witness(es) feelings: Not reported.
Witness(es) interpretation: Not reported.
Explanation category: Probable invention.
Explanation certainty: Medium.

Narratives:

[Ref. fr1:] MICHEL FIGUET AND JEAN-LOUIS RUCHON:

The two ufologists and authors indicate that in October 1954, in Villeneuve-sur-Lot, Mr. Moleaner, building painter, was fishing by day on the banks of the river Lot, when he saw various luminous phenomena at a hundred meters.

He then saw an apparatus shaped like a saucer land gently and without noise on the river Lot.

A small being came out and filled a bottle from there with water of the river. At the end of a few seconds the being went inside his apparatus which flew away at a tremendous speed.

The authors indicate that the source is an article in the newspaper La Dépêche for October 18, 1954.

[Ref. bb1:] GERARD BARTHEL AND JACQUES BRUCKER:

The authors indicate that in Villeneuve-on-Batch in 1954, the single goal of the extraterrestrial visitors was to draw a sample of water from the river with a bottle.

They indicate that the newspaper La Dépêche specified at the end of the story: "Was Mr. Moleaner, whose good faith cannot not be doubted, the victim of an hallucination?"

They declare that they can answer that it was neither am hallucination nor extraterrestrial visitors but only a good joke which put the witness in the highlights during a few days in the village.

[Ref. mf1:] MICHEL FIGUET:

In an update to his Francat catalog, Michel Figuet indicates:

10.1954 Villeneuve sur Lot Hoax by Mr. Moleaner, B.B. p. 82

[Ref. go1:] GODELIEVE VAN OVERMEIRE:

The Belgian ufologist indicates in her chronology that in October 1954 in France in Villeneuve sur Lot, Mr. Moleaner was fishing on banks of the Lot and saw at a hundred meters various luminous phenomena, then a machine in the shape of a saucer which gently landed without noise on the Lot.

A small being came out and filled a bottle with water from the river, at the end of a few seconds it reinstated its apparatus which took off at a fantastic speed.

the author indicates that the source is M. Figuet et J.L. Ruchon, "Ovni, premier dossier complet...", Alain Lefeuvre, 1979, pages 99, 100.

[Ref. ar1:] ALBERT ROSALES:

90.
Location: Vellenueve-sur-Lot France
Date: October 1954
Time: noon

A metallic saucer shaped object was seen landing silently near a river. A small humanoid emerged from the object and filled a bottle with water from the river. He quickly leaves.

HC addition # 2401
Source: Figeut Ruchon, Ovni Dossier
Type: B

[Ref. jg1:] JULIEN GONZALEZ:

The author indicates that there was a close encounter of the third type in Villeneuve-sur-Lot, the Lot-et-Garonne, in early October 1954, by day at an unspecified hour.

Mr. Moleaner, a house painter, fished on the banks of the Lot, and saw a few hundred meters various luminous phenomena, and then a machine in the form of a "saucer" which landed gently and silently on the Lot.

A strange little being came out of it and filled a bottle of river water, and after a few seconds, he re-entered his craft which flew off at a fantastic speed.

Sources are indicated as La Dépêche du Midi for October 18, 1954; Michel Figuet and Jean¬Louis Ruchon in "OVNI: le premier dossier des rencontres rapprochées en France", pages 99-100; Jean Sider, "Le dossier 1954 et l'imposture rationaliste, page 175.

[Ref. wu1:] "WATERUFO.NET":

[Note: this entry of this excellent website is made from my own URECAT catalogue; source link is provided but not to my website, it goes to a "mirror" site where someone reproduced my entire website at some time. My real URECAT file is this page.]

10-??-1954

URECAT - UFO Related Entities Catalog

URECAT is a formal catalog of UFO related entities sightings reports with the goal of providing quality information for accurate studies of the topic. Additional information, corrections and reviews are welcome at ufologie@inbox.com, please state if you wish to be credited for your contribution or not. The main page of the URECAT catalog is here.

OCTOBER 1954, VILLENEUVE-SUR-LOT, LOT-ET-GARONNE, FRANCE, MR. MOLENAER:

BRIEF SUMMARY OF EVENT AND FOLLOW-UP:

A regional newspaper for October 18, 1954 is said to have reported that in Villeneuve-sur-Lot, Mr. Molenaer, building painter, was fishing by day on the banks of the River Lot, when he saw various luminous phenomena at a hundred meters.

He then saw an apparatus shaped like a saucer land gently and without noise on the River Lot.

A small being came out and filled a bottle from there with water of the river. After a few seconds, the being went inside his apparatus which flew away at "a tremendous speed."

A duet of French skeptical ufologists said in the 70's that it was a hoax, without providing further information.

Reference for the above text is: Website: URECAT - UFO Related Entities Catalog:

http://wiki.razing.net/ufologie.net/ce3/1954-10-france-villeneuvesurlot.htm

UFOCAT PRN – 171836
UFOCAT URN – NONE OVNI: Le premier dossier complet des rencontres rapprochées en France by Michel Figuet, pp. 99-100, © 1979
UFOCAT URN – 171836 *U* UFO Computer Database by Larry Hatch, # 03682, © 2002
UFOCAT URN – NONE Website: 1954 Humanoid Reports, compiled by Albert Rosales, #122:
http://www.ufoinfo.com/humanoid/humanoid1954.shtml

Europe – France, Aquitaine

Villeneuve-sur-Lot Latitude 44-24-26 N, Longitude 000-42-20 E (D-M-S) (populated place)

River Lot Latitude 44-18-00 N, Longitude 000-20-00 E (stream)

Reference: http://geonames.nga.mil/ggmaviewer/

Points to consider:

The true name of this witness is probably not Moleaner but Molenaer. Moleaner is a non-existent name, Molenaer is a known name in this area - just as Molinier and Moulinier.

Barthel and Brucker state, like often without giving the least useful information or confirmation, that it was a hoax. It is quite likely, if only when the very meager description of the event is considered, or because of this use of a bottle. However, I do not have any trust in their assertion. On one hand, they reproduced the very probable misspell of the witness name, on the other hand, they are unable to give the least date for the alleged sighting, they quote only one line of an newspaper article without even caring to give its date and so on. This is very bad ufology, hardly better than the copying of summaries of the affair with no more research by other ufologists.

List of issues:

Id: Topic: Severity: Date noted: Raised by: Noted by: Description: Proposal: Status:
1 Data Severe July 12, 2007 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Missing the primary source, article in the newspaper La Dépêche, France, October 18, 1954. Help needed. Opened.

Evaluation:

Probable invention.

Sources references:

* = Source I checked.
? = Source I am told about but could not check yet. Help appreciated.

Document history:

Authoring

Main Author: Patrick Gross
Contributors: None
Reviewers: None
Editor: Patrick Gross

Changes history

Version: Created/Changed By: Date: Change Description:
0.1 Patrick Gross July 12, 2007 Creation, [fr1], [bb1], [mf1], [go1], [ar1].
1.0 Patrick Gross July 12, 2007 First published.
1.1 Patrick Gross December 21, 2016 Additions [jg1], [wu1].

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