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URECAT - UFO Related Entities Catalog

URECAT is a formal catalog of UFO related entities sightings reports with the goal of providing quality information for accurate studies of the topic. Additional information, corrections and reviews are welcome at patrick.gross@inbox.com, please state if you wish to be credited for your contribution or not. The main page of the URECAT catalog is here.


Brief summary of the event and follow-up:

Ufological sources indicate that "near Vancouver" in British Columbia, Canada, in 1912, on an unknown date and time, a round machine, "something like a helicopter," with a glass cabin, landed at the farm the father of Abram Penner, or Fenner, then six years old.

There were reportedly small "space men" as occupants.

Penner wrote that "One man felt my body; they admired my hands. They have different hands than we do; they have round feet, short legs, no knees, and no elbows. They operate on mind power; I understood what they said."

His father told him never to tell anyone.

Basic information table:

Case number: URECAT-001135
Date of event: 1912
Earliest report of event: 1980?
Delay of report: 9 decades?
Witness reported via: Letter to ufology group?
First alleged record by: Letter to CUFOS.
First certain record by: Ufology book Bartholomew and Howard.
First alleged record type: Letter to ufology group.
First certain record type: "Skeptical" ufology book.
This file created on: February 21, 2013
This file last updated on: February 21, 2013
Country of event: Canada
State/Department: British Columbia
Type of location: Farm
Lighting conditions: Not reported.
UFO observed: Yes
UFO arrival observed: Not reported
UFO departure observed: Not reported
UFO/Entity Relation: Certain
Witnesses numbers: 1
Witnesses ages: 6
Witnesses types: Not reported. Boy living in a farm.
Photograph(s): No.
Witnesses drawing: No.
Witnesses-approved drawing: No.
Number of entities: Several
Type of entities: Humanoid
Entities height: Small
Entities outfit type: Not reported.
Entities outfit color: Not reported.
Entities skin color: Not reported.
Entities body: Not reported. No knees.
Entities head: Not reported.
Entities eyes: Not reported.
Entities mouth: Not reported.
Entities nose: Not reported.
Entities feet: Not reported. Round.
Entities arms: Not reported. No elbows.
Entities fingers: Not reported.
Entities fingers number: Not reported.
Entities hair: Not reported.
Entities voice: Yes, or telepathy.
Entities actions: Felt witness body, communicated with him.
Entities/witness interactions: None.
Witness(es) reactions: Observed, went.
Witness(es) feelings: Not reported.
Witness(es) interpretation: Not reported.
Explanation category: Probable "contactee" tall-tale.
Explanation certainty: Medium.



The authors says that in 1912, in Western Canada, in the morning, a six-year-old boy living on a farm claims to have been in contact with "space men" in a round craft resembling a helicopter. The short male beings had no knees or elbows and had circular feet. They examined the boy, communicating telepathically.

They say the source is John B. Musgrave, UFO Occupants and Critters (Amherst, Wis.: Amherst Press and Global Communications, 1980), pp. 40, 56, citing a personal phone conversation between John Brent Musgrave and the witness, in addition to a letter at the Center for UFO Studies, Evanston, Illinois."


Albert Rosales indicates that near Vancouver British Columbia, Canada, in 1912, at an unknown time, a round craft "something like a helicopter," with a glass cab, landed on the farm of the father of 6-year old Abram Penner. "One man felt my body; they admired my hands. They have different hands than we do; they have round feet, short legs, no knees, and no elbows. They operate on mind power; I understood what they said." His father told him never to tell anyone.

Albert Rosales indicates that the source is J. A. Hynek.

[Ref. ud1:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:

The website indicates that in 1912 in daytime, in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, there was a "Close encounter with a an unidentified craft and its occupants. An unidentified object at close range and its occupants were observed by one witness on a farm (Penner)."

The sources are indicated as Webb, David, HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Reports; Bloecher, Ted R., Ted R Bloecher investigation files.

[Ref. js1:] JEAN SIDER:

The author indicates that in 1912 close to Vancouver in British Columbia, Canada, a round apparatus resembling "something like a helicopter" with a cabin transparent like glass was seen landing on a farm of the father of Abram Penner, 6 years old.

Many years later the witness told:

"A man felt my body, then he looked at my hands with admiration. The occupants had hands different from ours, and their feet were round, their legs short. They were expressed by the power of their minds, I was able to understand what they told me."

At the time of the occurrence his father commanded him not to tell about the incident to anybody.

Jean Sider indicates that the source is Rosales citing A. J. Hynek.

He comments on that the comparison with a helicopter indicates that the report was made after WWII, and that the problem is that we do not know in which publication J. A. Hynek published the case, perhaps the CUFOS bulletin. He adds that the aliens here are very atypical.


1912 - Morning


Master A Fenner aged 6 observed a round craft shaped like a helicopter, and was medically examined by small men with round feet, and no knees or elbows, who communicated with him telepathically. His father warned him not to speak about the matter, which only came to light in 1972 when he communicated with Dr J. Allen Hynek.

Musgrave 1979 p40 (case2) + personal communication-citing CUFOS and his own phone conversation with Fenner)

Points to consider:

This is probably just some "contactee" crackpot's letter received by the Center for UFO Studies of astronomer Joseph Allen Hynek in the 1970's or 1980's.

List of issues:

Id: Topic: Severity: Date noted: Raised by: Noted by: Description: Proposal: Status:
1 Data Severe February 21, 2013 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Primary source not available and not properly referenced. Help needed. Opened.
2 Ufology Severe February 21, 2013 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Very meager information. Help needed. Opened.
3 Ufology Severe February 21, 2013 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Single witness case. Help needed. Opened.
4 Ufology Severe February 21, 2013 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Apparently only a letter, no sign of investigation. Help needed. Opened.


Probable "contactee" tall-tale.

Sources references:

* = Source I checked.
? = Source I am told about but could not check yet. Help appreciated.

Document history:


Main Author: Patrick Gross
Contributors: None
Reviewers: None
Editor: Patrick Gross

Changes history

Version: Created/Changed By: Date: Change Description:
0.1 Patrick Gross February 21, 2013 Creation, [bh1], [ar1], [ud1], [js1], [pr1].
1.0 Patrick Gross February 21, 2013 First published.

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