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Bud Payne

(Bud PAYNE, J. O. "Bud" PAYNE, J. O. PAYNE).

Please, before asking any question or sending any comment or criticism, read this.

Biography:

I found that, among others, the Alamogordo Daily News newspaper from Alamogordo, New Mexico, on June 15, 1966, on page 3, refers to J.O. "Bud" Payne as a Lincoln County rancher.

I found that the "Lincoln County Elected Officials" list includes "J. O. Payne" as "County Commissioners" at least in 1972.

(See www.lincolncountynm.gov/lincolncounty/county_offices/clerk/uploads/officials.pdf)

Affidavit:


AFFIDAVIT

Bud Payne

(1) My name is Bud Payne.

(2) My address is []

(3) I am employed as PROBATE JUDGE. (x) I am retired.

(4) I am now a Lincoln County, New Mexico PROBATE judge and have been a Lincoln County commissioner, both elected offices. In 1947, I was a rancher and a neighbor of William "Mac" Brazel. Our ranch adjoined the Foster place, which Mac managed.

(5) When I heard about the flying saucer coming down on the Foster ranch a few days after it happened in early July 1947, I decided to see if I could get a piece of the thing. The site where the saucer came down was about two or two and a half miles east of the east boundary of our pasture. I drove over there in a pickup truck.

(6) Before I reached the site, I was stopped by two soldiers sitting in an Army truck parked beside the ranch road I was on. They were in field uniforms, and they may have been armed, wearing pistols. There were more vehicles and soldiers on higher ground beyond where I had been stopped.

(7) I told the two soldiers who stopped me I was going to where the flying saucer came down. They said 'We know where you're going, but you can't go in there." They did not threaten me, but they had their instructions to turn everybody back.

(8) I have not been paid or given or promised anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection.

[... Signatures...]

9/14/93

Investigators notes and comments:

Karl Pflock says that testimonies of Mac Brazel neighbors such as J. O. "Bud" Payne suggested that the dicovery of the "debris field" occurred on the first week on July 1947.

He says that J.O. "Bud" Payne, at that time a rancher and neighbor of Mac Brazel told him that when he heard...

... about the flying saucer coming down of the Foster ranch a few days after it happened in the early days of July 1947, I decided to see if I could get a piece of the thing... I drove over there in a pickup truck...

Before I reached the site, I was stopped by two soldiers sitting in an Army truck parker beside the road I was on... There were more vehicles and soldiers on higher ground beyond where I has been stopped.

I told the two soldiers who had stopped me I was going to where the flying saucer had come down. They said, "We know where you're going, but you can't go in there..." They did not threaten me, but they had their instructions to turn everybody back.

Karl Pflock indicates as source the affidavit (see above).

Source:

Bud Payne, a rancher in the Corona area, is chasing a stray cow As he crosses onto the Foster ranch, a jeep carrying soldiers roars over a ridgeline and bears down on him. He is carried from the Foster ranch. (Ref. 1)

Ref. 1 - The Truth About Roswell - Randle, Schmitt

Source:

Bud Payne, who was a judge in New Mexico, said that he had been out to the debris field but had been turned back by the military cordon. He did get close to it and this would be irrelevant, except he took me out to the location he thought was the debris field. When he stopped his vehicle and we got out, I nearly stepped on one of those little flags we had placed there. We have attempted to gather them all but had missed the last one. Payne took me to the same three quarter of a mile stretch of New Mexico desert and through this provided, to a degree, the size of the field.

Source:

BUD PAYNE

(Payne was a neighboring rancher. Payne said he tried to get on the debris field, but was turned away at the periphery by guards.)

(R&S1) Payne took them directly to the crash site. Bill Brazel had taken Schmitt and Randle to the northern end of it and Payne drove to the southern end. In fact, the expedition in September hadn't removed all the flags they had planted. Payne stopped inside those flags, on the same three-quarter mile strip of New Mexico. It was further confirmation of the exact location of the debris field.

Source:

Sometime after that, Bud Payne, a Lincoln County judge who said that he had seen the military out there doing something, took us, meaning Don, Paul Davids, Robert Hastings, and me out to the site. As we got out of the truck, I looked down and saw one of the flags we had missed.

In other words, Bud Payne put us on the same stretch of New Mexican desert as did Bill Brazel. That would seem to confirm the location as given to us earlier.

Source:

- Why was Bud Payne, a hired hand on one of the neighboring ranches, physically removed from the Brazel ranch during the military occupation of the site? As Payne was attempting to round up a stray cow, a military jeep roared up to him and MPs physically forced him off the ranch.

Source:

On July 9, as reports went out that the crashed object was actually a weather balloon, cleanup crews were busily clearing the debris. Bud Payne, a rancher at Corona, was trying to round up a stray when he was spotted by the military and carried off the Foster ranch. [...]

Source:

Finally, there was Bud Payne who eventually became a judge in Lincoln County. He blundered into the area chasing some livestock that gotten away from him. In an interview with him in January 1990, he took a number of us including Don Schmitt, Paul Davids and me to the debris field that he had seen. Although the interview was not recorded, my notes say that he did say there had been a gouge, and we were standing on the same bit of New Mexico high desert that Bill Brazel had pointed out to us some months earlier.

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