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October 18, 1954, Cisternes-la-Forêt, Puy-de-Dôme:

Reference number for this case: 18-oct-54-Cisternes-la-Forêt. Thank you for including this reference number in any correspondence with me regarding this case.

Reports:

[Ref. lm1:] "LE MERIDIONAL" NEWSPAPER:

A craft in a field

CLERMONT-FERRAND. -- MISTERS Jean Augard, farmer in Sisternes-la-Forêt (the Puy-de-Dôme) and Jean Chanzotte, former mine worker, stated to have seen, in a field at the edge of the road, an ovoid-shaped craft surmounted of a cupola of a brilliant white. As the two men approached the "saucer", it rose vertically and disappeared in direction of the North-East, leaving behind it a reddish trail.

A few days ago, in Gelles, a nearby village, several people had seen a similar craft, also posed in a field.

[Ref. am1:] AIME MICHEL:

Aimé Michel reports in his book that on October 18, 1954, in Cisterne-la-Forêt, a few kilometers from Gelles and from Coheix, two people had seen an object on the ground which had the same shape as the one seen in Gelles this day, thus of ovoid shape. When the witnesses approached, it flew away quickly towards the North-East.

[Ref. jv5:] JACQUES VALLEE:

371 -002.70711 45.79200 18 10 1954 CISTERNES-FORET F 0012 I

[Ref. jv1:] JACQUES VALLEE:

282

Oct. 18, 1954 Cisternes-la-Foret (France).

J. Augard and J. Chanzotte saw an oval object with a dome, emitting a bright white light, resting in a field. When they approached it, the object rose vertically, leaving a reddish trail, and flew to the northeast.

(70; M 198) (Combat, La Croix, 20 oct 1954).

[Ref. ld1:] "LUMIERES DANS LA NUIT" MAGAZINE:

This magazine indicates that in Mr. Augard and Mr. Chanzotte saw an ovoid object surmounted by a cupola of a brilliant white landed in a meadow. The magazine adds that an article of the newspaper La Dépêche du Midi dates the case of October 8 instead of the 18th. The magazine, as Jacques Vallée does, dates it of the 18th.

[Ref. gl1:] CHARLES GARREAU AND RAYMOND LAVIER:

The two authors and ufologists indicate that according to the sparse information in Jacques Vallée's catalogue and in the ufology magazine Lumières Dans La Nuit N.69, on October 18, 1954, in Cisterne-la-Forêt in the department of Puy-de-Dome, Messrs Augard and Chanzotte, farmers, saw an oval object topped with a dome and emitting a brilliant light, which was posed in a field.

They approached and then the object rose vertically, leaving a reddish trail, and disappeared.

[Ref. fr1] MICHEL FIGUET ET JEAN-LOUIS RUCHON:

The two authors indicate that in Cisternes La Fôret in the department of Puy de Dôme on October 18, 1954, at some unknown time, Mssrs. Augard et Chanzotte approached an oval object, topped by a dome, which emitted a brilliant yellow light, and was posed in a field.

The machine rose vertically leaving a reddish trail and disappeared.

The authors indicate that the sources are case 282 of the Vallée catalogue; Aimé Michel in "A Propos des S.V." page 241; L.D.L.N. #69; Combat and La Croix for October 20, 1954.

[Ref. mf1:] FRANCAT - MICHEL FIGUET:

In an extract of his Francat catalogue, Michel Figuet recorded that the case occurred on October 16, 1954 and not on October 18, 1954 and that it was a fireball going from East to West according to a letter by Mr. Chanzotte to the newspaper "La Liberté" for October 20, 1954, the source being an article headlined "Heureux ceux qui croient sans savoir" ("Happy those who believe without knowing") in LDLN 240-250 [ sic ] page 21.

[Ref. mf2:] MICHEL FIGUET:

The witnesses of CISTERNES were really MISTERS AUCHEARD and CHAZOTTE and not MISTERS AUGARD and CHANZOTTE but what wouldthis have changed if the phenomenon observed had been authentic.

The authors quote: moreover, and it is written black on white in "France-Soir" for 10/1/1954, this incident is due to a confusion.

Hold on! One refers in an article of press this time and surprize: it is of a confusion and not a prank.

Note: Figuet answers a criticism by Gerard Barthel and Jacques Brucker. The latter would have said that Figuet believe the Press, this is why Figuet replies that it is Barthel and Brucker who believe the press, when the Press gives an ordinary explanation to a sighting.

Figuet seems to think that Barthel and Brucker changed opinion on the explanation: hoax, then confusion; this seems not to be true if one refers to [bb2] below.

[Ref. bb2:] GERARD BARTHEL AND JACQUES BRUCKER:

These authors indicate in criticism of an article by Michel Figuet that the case of Cisternes has its sources in Combat and La Croix for October 20, 1954, and not France Soir, and the catalogue by G, Quincy, and that their investigation on the location on January 10, 1978, made it possible fo them to know that it was a hoax.

[Ref. go1:] GODELIEVE VAN OVERMEIRE:

The belgian ufologist indicates that in 1954, on October 18, in France, in Cisternes la Forêt, "J. Augard and J. Chanzotte saw an oval object surmounted of a dome and emitting a brilliant white light, posed in a field. When they approached, the object rose vertically, leaving a red trail and disappeared in direction of the north-east."

The sources are indicated as "Combat, La Croix, 20 oct 1954", "Jacques Vallée: 'Chronique des apparitions ET' - DENOEL 1972 - J'AI LU COLL. - p. 285".

[Ref. jb1:] JEROME BEAU:

Monday, October 18, 1954

[...]

In Cisternes-la-Forêt (France), J. Augard and J. Chanzotte see an oval object, surmounted of a dome, emitting a brilliant white light, posed in a field. When they approach, it rises vertically leaving a reddish trail and disappears in the direction from the North-East.

[...]

The sources are indicated as "Combat, La Croix, October 20, 1954".

[Ref. lc1:] LUC CHASTAN:

Luc Chastan indicates that in the Puy de Dômes [sic, Dôme] in Cisternes La Forêt on October 18, 1954 at an unknown hour, "the two witnesses approach an object oval, surmounted of a dome, and emitting a brilliant yellow light, posed in a field. The machine rises vertically leaving a reddish trail and disappears."

The source is indicated as "Ovni, Premier dossier complet... by Figuet M./ Ruchon J.L. ** Alain Lefeuvre pub. 1979".

[Ref. ud1:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:

The website indicates that on 18 October 1954 in Cisternes-La-Foret, France, "Domed disc lands in field. Takes off and flies rapidly to the northeast when approached by the witnesses." And: "An object was sighted that had an appearance and performance beyond the capability of known earthly aircraft. One domed disc was observed by two witnesses on a farm for over one minute (Augard)."

The sources are indicated as Michel, Aime, Flying Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery, S. G. Phillips, New York, 1958; Bowen, Charles, The Humanoids: FSR Special Edition No. 1, FSR, London, 1966; Vallee, Jacques, Challenge to Science: The UFO Enigma, Henry Regnery, Chicago, 1966; Vallee, Jacques, Preliminary Catalog (N = 500), (in JVallee01); Schoenherr, Luis, Computerized Catalog (N = 3173); Hatch, Larry, *U* computer database, Author, Redwood City, 2002.

[Ref. ud2:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:

The website indicates that on 18 October 1954 at 17:30 in Cisternes-la-Foret, France, "An oval object with a dome, emitting a bright white light, was resting in a field." "Cisternes-la-Foret, France . Messrs. J. Augard and J. Chanzotte saw an oval object with a dome, emitting a bright white light and resting in a field. When they approached it the object rose vertically, leaving a reddish trail, and flew off toward the northeast."

And: "J. Augard and J. Chanzotte saw an oval object with a dome, emitting a bright white light, resting in a field. When they approached it, the object rose vertically, leaving a reddish trail, and flew to the northeast."

And: "An object was observed. Electromagnetic and physiological effects were noted. One red oval object, about 40 feet across, was observed in clear weather by one male 42-year-old witness (as reported to the police) and others in a forest for a few minutes (Augard; Bachelard). No sound was heard."

The source is indicated as Vallee, Jacques, Computerized Catalog (N = 3073).

[Ref. ni1:] "THE NICAP WEBSITE":

*Oct. 18, 1954 - Cisternes-la-Foret, Puy-de-Dome, France. Messrs. J. Augard and J. Chanzotte saw an oval object with a dome, emitting a bright white light and resting in a field. When they approached it the object rose vertically, leaving a reddish trail, and flew off toward the northeast. (Sources: Aime Michel, Flying Saucers and the Straight Line Mystery, p. 198; Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia: A Century of Landings, p. 233).

[Ref. ub1:] "UFO-DATENBANK":

This database recorded this case 6 times:

Case Nr. New case Nr. Investigator Date of observation Zip Place of observation Country of observation Hour of observation Classification Comments Identification
19541018 18.10.1954 Cisternes Foret France CE I
19541018 18.10.1954 Cisternes Foret France
19541018 18.10.1954 Cisternes Foret France CE II
19541018 18.10.1954 Cisternes Foret France
19541018 18.10.1954 Cisternes Foret France CE I
19541018 18.10.1954 Cisternes Foret France

Explanations:

Possibly the meteor of October 16, 1954, at 09:30 p.m..

Keywords:

(These keywords are only to help queries and are not implying anything.)

Cisternes-la-Forêt, Cisterne, Puy-de-Dôme, J. Augard, J. Chanzotte, multiple, oval, object, bright, white, light, field, trail, red, landing, vertically

Sources:

[---] indicates sources which I have not yet checked.

Document history:

Version: Created/Changed by: Date: Change Description:
0.1 Patrick Gross April 18, 2003 First published.
1.0 Patrick Gross December 27, 2009 Conversion from HTML to XHTML Strict. First formal version.
1.1 Patrick Gross June 30, 2010 Addition [jv5].
1.2 Patrick Gross October 18, 2014 Addition [ni1].
1.3 Patrick Gross October 20, 2016 Additions [lm1], [bb2], [mf2].
1.4 Patrick Gross March 4, 2017 Addition [ub1].

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