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URECAT - UFO Related Entities Catalog

URECAT is a formal catalog of UFO related entities sightings reports with the goal of providing quality information for accurate studies of the topic. Additional information, corrections and reviews are welcome at patrick.gross@inbox.com, please state if you wish to be credited for your contribution or not. The main page of the URECAT catalog is here.

JULY, 1967, ST STANISLAS DE KOSTKA, QUEBEC, CANADA, DENIS LEGER::

Brief summary of the event and follow-up:

At the time of a second sighting, young Denis Léger, aged 11, told the other witnesses that it had already seen a flying saucer in St Stanislas de Kostka, Quebec, Canada, one year before, at the end of the July 1967 during the afternoon, his story appearing in the newspaper at the time of the second observation.

He indicated that the machine resembled a saucer, round and shiny, and it had followed him during five minutes at approximately 20 feet above ground-level and 500 feet away of him, as he was riding his bicycle. The machine had not made any noise.

The lower part was made of glass of 3 or 4 inches thickness, and he could see three people inside, one at an end and the two others at the other end. They were small and black.

There was nothing below and above, and Denis Leger acknowledged to his comrades that he had been really afraid and was glad not to see it anymore when he entered a wood to return home.

Basic information table:

Case number: URECAT-000202
Date of event: July 1967
Earliest report of event: August 7, 1968
Delay of report: 1 year
Witness reported via: Told his comrades during 2nd sighting.
First alleged record by: N/A
First certain record by: Regional newspaper.
First alleged record type: N/A
First certain record type: Regional newspaper.
This file created on: June 11, 2007
This file last updated on: June 11, 2007
Country of event: Canada
State/Department: Quebec
Type of location: Open country, road.
Lighting conditions: Day
UFO observed: Yes
UFO arrival observed: Not reported.
UFO departure observed: No
UFO/Entity Relation: Certain
Witnesses numbers: 1
Witnesses ages: 11
Witnesses types: Boy of the area.
Photograph(s): No.
Witnesses drawing: No.
Witnesses-approved drawing: No.
Number of entities: 3
Type of entities: Humanoid or human
Entities height: Small
Entities outfit type: Not seen.
Entities outfit color: Not reported.
Entities skin color: Black.
Entities body: Not reported.
Entities head: Too distant.
Entities eyes: Too distant.
Entities mouth: Too distant.
Entities nose: Too distant.
Entities feet: Not reported.
Entities arms: Too distant.
Entities fingers: Too distant.
Entities fingers number: Not reported.
Entities hair: Too distant.
Entities voice: None heard. Too distant.
Entities actions: Were in UFO.
Entities/witness interactions: None.
Witness(es) reactions: Observed, went.
Witness(es) feelings: Frightened.
Witness(es) interpretation: Not reported.
Explanation category: Extraterrestrial visitors or confusion or invention. Insufficient data.
Explanation certainty: None.

Narratives:

[Ref. lp1:] "LA PRESSE" DE MONTREAL:

[...]

[...] Denis exclaims: "It is a flying saucer", which the others also think. "I know it, I am sure, he says. I saw one last year at about at the same date but during the afternoon. It had followed me during five minutes approximately at 20 feet from the ground. I was within 500 feet, on the bicycle. I saw the interior, it was easy because the top of the saucer was made of glass, approximately three or four inches the thick one. There were three people, one sat at an end and two others at the other end. They seemed small and black. It resembled a round and shiny saucer. There was nothing below and above and it made no noise. I must acknowledge that I was really afraid and that I have I was glad I did not see it anymore when I entered wood to return home." (Let us specify here that indeed, trees cover the road at a certain place). [...].

[...]

[Note: the above is an extract of the full article. Denis Léger is actually telling here about a previous sighting he had to other kids during a second sighting, which is documented in its own file, including the full newspaper article.]

[Ref. ar1:] ALBERT ROSALES:

Albert Rosales notes that in St. Stanislas de Kostka, Quebec, Canada, on late July 1967 at an unknown time, about a year before his encounter of 7/28/68, 11-year old Denis Leger said a flying object, "resembling a round and shiny saucer," followed him for about 5 minutes, at 20-foot altitude, as he rode his bicycle. The bottom was made of glass 3 or 4 inches thick, and he could see three persons inside, one seated at one end and the others at the other. "They were small and black."

Albert Rosales indicates that the source of the above is Saucers, Space and Science, fall 1968.

Points to consider:

The following sighting in which Dennis Léger was one of the witness is documented here.

This observation does not seem to have been the subject of an investigation in order to assure the parameters of observations.

A crucial point of the observation is the distance, indicated as of 500 feet, that is to say 150 meters. This is a big distance, beyond the capacity of normal stereoscopic vision which bears on approximately 50 meters. Lack of details in description of the occupants, who are described only sparsely as small and black, allows easily to assume that the boy - it should be recalled that he is a 11 years old kid - could possibly have seen a helicopter, possibly further than 150 meters, no indication of a visual background limiting the importance of the real distance. It is not possible to be certain that he saw a helicopter; but only a full-fledged ufological investigation would have made it possible to exclude or reduce this possibility.

The young age of the witness can only limit the possibility of interpreting what he saw or thought he saw; an example sign of impossibility to consider a young kid as reliable observant in this case is that at the important distance he indicated, he could not have possibly determine that the glass parts of the object had several inches thickness. It is not normally possible, at a distance of 150 meters, or more or less in this order, to measure by the eye that glass panes would this or that thickness. This stresses that it would be risky to take the information given by the child as reliable base to affirm that one or another explanation would be the correct one.

List of issues:

Id: Topic: Severity: Date noted: Raised by: Noted by: Description: Proposal: Status:
1 Ufology Severe June 11, 2007 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross No investigation apparent. - -
2 Ufology Severe June 11, 2007 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Single witness, 11 years old. - -
3 Ufology Severe June 11, 2007 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Distance of observation apparently important, of 150 meters. - -
4 Ufology Severe June 11, 2007 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Overall insufficient information: no precise date, no precise location etc. - -

Evaluation:

Extraterrestrial visitors or confusion or invention. Insufficient data.

Sources references:

* = Source I checked.
? = Source I am told about but could not check yet. Help appreciated.

Document history:

Authoring

Main Author: Patrick Gross
Contributors: None
Reviewers: None
Editor: Patrick Gross

Changes history

Version: Created/Changed By: Date: Change Description:
0.1 Patrick Gross June 11, 2007 Creation, [lp1], [ar1].
1.0 Patrick Gross June 11, 2007 First published.

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