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URECAT - UFO Related Entities Catalog

URECAT is a formal catalog of UFO related entities sightings reports with the goal of providing quality information for accurate studies of the topic. Additional information, corrections and reviews are welcome at patrick.gross@inbox.com, please state if you wish to be credited for your contribution or not. The main page of the URECAT catalog is here.

May 4, 1932, Toronto, Canada, a retired minister:

Brief summary of the event and follow-up:

"Skeptical" authors Robert E. Batholomew and George S. Howard told in their 1998 bookk of an encounter that was told in a personal letter to them from Alberta astronomer John B. Musgrave, who cited a letter written to him by the retired, anonymous, minister, dated March 16, 1976.

It told that on May 4, 1932, 150 miles north of Toronto, Canada, a retired minister claimed to have seen bright lights and visions when having to make important decisions about church affairs.

They quote: "All at once the main street was lit up with the whitest of white lights. It was much brighter than the Sun at noon days. ... the City lights looked like globs of blood in the whiteness. The light came from 'a round cloud' with an 'etched' or 'scalloped' outer edge... a light streamed down like a laser beam, which I've seen since."

The retired minister then turned and saw "standing beside me... a young man with golden hair" and a similar colored suit. "He had radiant blue eyes," was "about my height - he smiled, oh how beautiful he was. He told me my real work would be training. ... in that city, he said remember the cottage in the rear of the Mansions are as important as those who dwell in the mansions. ..."

Basic information table:

Case number: URECAT-001647
Date of event: May 4, 1932
Earliest report of event: March 16, 1976
Delay of report: 44 years.
Witness reported via: Personal letter to ufologist John B. Musgrave.
First alleged record by: Personal letter to ufologist John B. Musgrave.
First certain record by: "Sceptikal" authors Robert E. Batholomew and George S. Howard.
First alleged record type: Personal letter to ufologist.
First certain record type: "Sceptikal" authors book.
This file created on: August 14, 2018
This file last updated on: August 14, 2018
Country of event: Canada
State/Department: Ontario?
Type of location: In a city in Ontario?
Lighting conditions: Not reported.
UFO observed: Uncertain.
UFO arrival observed: Not reported.
UFO departure observed: Not reported.
UFO/Entity Relation: Uncertain
Witnesses numbers: 1
Witnesses ages: Not reported.
Witnesses types: Retired minister.
Photograph(s): No.
Witnesses drawing: No.
Witnesses-approved drawing: No.
Number of entities: 1
Type of entities: Human
Entities height: Normal
Entities outfit type: Suit.
Entities outfit color: Golden.
Entities skin color: Not reported.
Entities body: Not reported. Beautiful young man.
Entities head: Not reported.
Entities eyes: Radiant blue eyes.
Entities mouth: Not reported.
Entities nose: Not reported.
Entities feet: Not reported.
Entities arms: Not reported.
Entities fingers: Not reported.
Entities fingers number: Not reported.
Entities hair: Golden hair.
Entities voice: Yes.
Entities actions: Is there, talks to witness.
Entities/witness interactions: Said "Remember the cottage in the rear of the Mansions are as important as those who dwell in the mansions.".
Witness(es) reactions: Observed, went.
Witness(es) feelings: Not reported.
Witness(es) interpretation: Not reported.
Explanation category: Probably psychological.
Explanation certainty: High.

Narratives:

[Ref. bh1:] ROBERT E. BARTHOLOMEW AND GEORGE S. HOWARD:

The authors indicate that on May 4, 1932, 150 miles north of Toronto, Canada, a retired minister claimed to have seen bright lights and visions when having to make important decisions about church affairs.

They quote: "All at once the main street was lit up with the whitest of white lights. It was much brighter than the Sun at noon days. ...the City lights looked like globs of blood in the whiteness. The light came from 'a round Cloud' with an 'etched' or 'scalloped' outer edge... a light streamed down like a laser beam, which I've seen since."

The retired minister then turned and saw "standing beside me... a young man with golden hair" and a similar colored suit. "He had radiant blue eyes," was "about my height - he smiled, oh how beautiful he was. He told me my real work would be training. ...in that City, he said remember the cottage in the rear of the Mansions are as important as those who dwell in the mansions. ..."

The authors indicate that this is from a personal letter to them from Alberta astronomer John B. Musgrave, who cited a letter written to him by the retired, anonymous, minister, dated March 16, 1976.

[Ref. ar1:] ALBERT ROSALES:

Albert Rosales indicates in his catalogue that in 150 miles W of Toronto Ontario, Canada, on May 4, 1932, at night, during a period of personal crises of his theology, the witness, now a retired pastor, found himself in a city of 16-17 thousand 150 miles west of Toronto, in a street lit up by a brilliant white light. Looking up, he saw the light came from a round cloud with a scalloped edge, about 200 yards overhead; from it streamed down a light like a laser beam. Standing beside him, he saw a young man with golden hair, dressed in a suit of a similar color; he had radiant blue eyes, and was about 5.5 feet tall. He smiled at the man and told him that his work would be in that city, and reminded him "the cottage in the rear of the mansion are as important as those who dwell in the mansions." He said the witness would be there for 6 years and would work his way to the west coast. According to the man's account, the prophecies were fulfilled.

Albert Rosales indicates that the source is "John Musgrave and Ted Bloecher".

[Ref. ud1:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:

The website indicates that on 4 May 1932 in the morning in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, there was a "Close encounter with a an unidentified craft and its occupants. An unidentified object at close range and its occupants were observed by one witness in a street."

The source is indicated as "Webb, David, HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Reports".

[Ref. ud1:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:

4 May 1932 - Toronto, Ontario, Canada

4 May 1932 Morning

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Close encounter with a an unidentified craft and its occupants. An unidentified object at close range and its occupants were observed by one witness in a street.

Hynek rating: CE3

Vallee rating: CE3

The source is indicated as: "Webb, David, HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Reports".

[Ref. ud2:] "UFODNA" WEBSITE:

This website recorded the case a second time by mistake:

4 May 1932 - Toronto, Ontario, Canada

4 May 1932 21:00

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

During a period of personal crises of his theology, the witness, now a retired pastor, found himself in a city of 16-17 thousand 150 miles west of Toronto, in a street lit up by a brilliant white light. Looking up, he saw the light came from a round cloud with a scalloped edge, about 200 yards overhead; from it streamed down a light like a laser beam. Standing beside him, he saw a young man with golden hair, dressed in a suit of a similar color; he had radiant blue eyes, and was about 5.5 feet tall. He smiled at the man and told him that his work would be in that city, and reminded him "the cottage in the rear of the mansion are as important as those who dwell in the mansions." He said the witness would be there for 6 years and would work his way to the west coast. According to the man's account, the prophecies were fulfilled.

Hynek rating: CE3

The source is indicated as: "Rosales, Albert, Humanoid Sighting Reports Database".

[Ref. js1:] JEAN SIDER:

The author indicates that on May 4, 1932, at night, west of Toronto, Canada, there was a close ecnounter of the third kind.

During his studies in theology, the witness had a period of doubt about pursuing a career in religion, following a lived experience that he never forgot:

He was in an unnamed city of sixteen to seventeen thousand people, 250 kilometers west of Toronto, traveling in a street brightly lit by an unusually strong light. He was anxious about it and wanted to know where it came from, it soon became apparent that it emanated from a kind of "round cloud with serrated edges" that was about 200 meters above him. There was a beam of light going to the ground, and inside there was a young woman with golden hair, dressed in a suit of the same color, who had bright blue eyes and a height of five feet six inches, 1.63 m.

She smiled at the witness and told him that he will work in this city, and reminded him of the following quote: "The people in the little house behind the castle are as important as the castellans."

She then told him that he will stay in this community for six years and will work the rest of his career on the west coast. According to the witness, who in the meantime had passed his degrees in theology and became a pastor, these prophecies were fully realized.

Jean Sider indicates that the sourc is "Rosales, according to John Musgrave & Ted Bloecher, sap)."

He commented that if the witness had been a Catholic, he might have seen the Virgin Mary, and that Ted Bloecher, when he was a ufologist, was considered to be very competent, given the extensive research he did to to exhume unrecognized observations, especially in the American press.

Points to consider:

A story unrelated to UFOs that seems to be just a letter from someone out of his mind...

List of issues:

Id: Topic: Severity: Date noted: Raised by: Noted by: Description: Proposal: Status:
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Evaluation:

Probably psychological.

Sources references:

* = Source I checked.
? = Source I am told about but could not check yet. Help appreciated.

Document history:

Authoring

Main Author: Patrick Gross
Contributors: None
Reviewers: None
Editor: Patrick Gross

Changes history

Version: Created/Changed By: Date: Change Description:
0.1 Patrick Gross August 14, 2018 Creation, [bh1], [ar1], [ud1], [ud2], [js1].
1.0 Patrick Gross August 14, 2018 First published.

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