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ALSACAT:

As its name suggests, ALSACAT is my comprehensive catalog of UFO sighting reports in Alsace, the region is the North-East of France, whether they are "explained" or "unexplained".

The ALSACAT catalog is made of case files with a case number, summary, quantitative information (date, location, number of witnesses...), classifications, all sources mentioning the case with their references, a discussion of the case in order to evaluate its causes, and a history of the changes made to the file. A general index and thematic sub-catalogs give access to these Alsatian case files.

Case of Krautergersheim, on October 17, 2013:

Case number:

ALSACAT-2013-10-17-KRAUTERGERSHEIM-1

Summary:

On a ufology web forum where participants bother to evaluate the reports they get in a generally serious manner, a 57-year-old man from Krautergersheim, in the Bas-Rhin, who is interested in UFOs, filed his story the day after his observation of October 17, 2013, at or about 10:30 p.m.

Walking his dog in Krautergersheim by a clear night, he heard the sound of an airliner and looked up to see just overhead the airliner going in the direction from Obernai to the Entzheim Airport.

He saw the lights of the plane well, it was the night. He heard the sound of aircraft engines. It flew quite high without seeming to prepare to land at the Entzheim Airport.

Next to this plane, he saw a bright object fly at the same speed and in the same direction as the airliner, "an inch" away of the airliner. This object was of brightness of stars and white like stars, and the size a similar to the size of the airliner. Then, the object became very bright as if someone had progressively operated a dimmer. Then its luminosity gradually diminished, and he lost sight of both the object and the airliner.

The witness gave his precise position, he was at the square near the rue du Stade and went to the rue des Peupliers. The object was visible between the end of the hedge and the first house, as if the object and the airliner had followed the rue du Stade towards the industrial area of Krautergersheim.

The sighting lasted between 30 seconds and 1 minute. There was no noise coming from the object, he only heard the plane. He did not report to the police.

A participant of the forum using the "Stellarium" software showed that the NOAA 16 satellite passed just there at 10:20 p.m. and in the direction indicated. He explained that this type of satellite's reflective panel can cause the increase and decrease in brightness observed by the witness, who had no objection to this explanation and thanked for the quality of the research.

Data:

Temporal data:

Date: October 17, 2013
Time: 10:30 p.m.
Duration: 30 to 60 seconds
First known report date: October 18, 2013
Reporting delay: 1 day.

Geographical data:

Department: Bas-Rhin
City: Krautergersheim
Place: From outside near home in village, UFO in the sky.
Latitude: 48.478213
Longitude: 7.573409
Uncertainty ratio: 50 m

Witnesses data:

Number of alleged witnesses: 1
Number of known witnesses: 1
Number of named witnesses: 0
Witness(es) ages: 57
Witness(es) types: Man, social worker.

Ufology data:

Reporting channel: Detailed report on ufology web forum.
Type of location: From village street near home, UFO in the sky.
Visibility conditions: Night
UFO observed: Yes
UFO arrival observed: No
UFO departure observed: Yes
Entities: No
Photographs: No.
Sketch(s) by witness(es): No.
Sketch(es) approved by witness(es): No.
Witness(es) feelings: Puzzled.
Witnesses interpretation: UFO

Classifications:

Hynek: NL
ALSACAT: Probable satellite flash.

Sources:

[Ref. my1:] "LES MYSTERES DES OVNIS" WEB UFOLOGY FORUM:

LL56
New member
Male Age: 57
Number of messages: 2
Member since: 10/18/2013
Localization: krautergersheim
Occupation: sociall worker
Hobbies: arkeo space oopard ufoe

Subject: 2013: on 10/17 at 10:30 p.m. - near an arliners Strange light in the sky - krautergersheim - Bas-Rhin (dép.67) Ven 18 Oct 2013, 15:34

Firstname or pseudo : LL56

Ville: krautergersheim

Department: Bas-Rhin (dép.67)

Region: Alsace to start a call to witnesses: http://www.lalsace.fr

Country: France

Date: 10/17/2013

Hour of the beginning of the observation: 10:30 p.m.

Duration of the observation: 30 seconds to 1 minute

Weather conditions: clear

Number of witnesses: 1

Type of phenomenon: near an arliners Strange light in the sky

Officially reported: No

Complete observation report:

Evenin of 10/17/2013 at 10:30 p.m.

observation airliner direction obernai – >enzheim ,
i was walking the dog i heard an air liner pass by i looked up raising my headd itwas just a bove me ,
you saw the plane very wel especially the lights as it wass nite and the engin noise it flew quite igh it did not go down to the aipor of enzheim,
near this plane a brillant object flew same speed same direction i's say at one thum from the plane, it had the luminossity of the stars and fduring a few second th object becam more luminous like with a fader very luminous then dimmed progresively and i lost sight of it the plane too

ps on the mappe i come from the large squar on the rue du stade direction rue des peuplier visible between the end of the edge of the stadium and the 1 st house . the plane and the objet followd the rue du stade direction th craftmanship area

my position 48.478213,7.573409 Street view

Precise description: elonggated object size of an airliner white luminosity mor than a star

Color: #FBF8F7

Size of the phenomenon: airliner

Behaviour: movement

Trajectoiry: north-west75° - North 75°

Specific noise: No excpet that of the plance

Specific odor: No

Direction of the object relative to the wind: controlled/independant displacement

Presence of installations: fessenheim nuclear plant

Similar photo: not specified

Table: saucer F9

Field investigation requested: Yes

Responsible investigator:

Keywords : Ufo, next to an airliner , Alsace call to witness: http://www.lalsace.fr, France, 10:30 p.m., 17, next to an airliner ,

I certify on my honor the correctness of the information communicated and the authenticity of the delivered documents. I am unable to identify this phenomenon thanks in advance for you answers.

Regards LL56

Polyèdre57
Forum team member
Male Age: 43
Number of messages: 2707
Member since: 08/16/2012
Localization: Moselle, Metz city
Occupation: Vaguemestre
Hobbies: Sport fishing for predators, regional history, defensive and religious heritage, music not c

Subject: Re: 2013: on 10/17 at 10:30 p.m. - near an arliners Strange light in the sky - krautergersheim - Bas-Rhin (dép.67) Sam 19 Oct 2013, 13:23

Hello and welcome LL56 fhd A little bit earlier (10:20 p.m. according to the Stellarium software) the NOAA16 satellite passed by, it is equipped of reflective pannels hence the very luminous iridium flash that you saw, its movement axis is S-SE /N-NW matches more or less your observation, it is possible that it was this satellite. Other possibilities will be studied...

A little video to better understand...

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Pat41
Investigation coordinator
Male Age: 53
Number of messages: 1408
Member since: 06/21/2012
Localization: Center
Occupation: Very busy
Hobbies: The irrational and nice cars

Subject: Re: 2013: on 10/17 at 10:30 p.m. - near an arliners Strange light in the sky - krautergersheim - Bas-Rhin (dép.67) Dim 20 Oct 2013, 16:39

Hello

The hypothesis by Polyhèdre is interesting, I wanted to dig in and do a search on calsky and heavens above [sky map software] and I cannot find the satellite given by Stellarium (NOAA16) ...? In parallel I searched on flightradar a flight Obernai-Enzheim on a large range around 10:30 p.m. on 10/17 without success.

If there's any volunteer...

Regards Pat

Polyèdre57
Forum team member
Male Age: 43
Number of messages: 2707
Member since: 08/16/2012
Localization: Moselle, Metz city
Occupation: Vaguemestre
Hobbies: Sport fishing for predators, regional history, defensive and religious heritage, music not c

Subject: Re: 2013: on 10/17 at 10:30 p.m. - near an arliners Strange light in the sky - krautergersheim - Bas-Rhin (dép.67) Dim 20 Oct 2013, 22:40

I confirm, it is indeed NOAA16, it remained visible for nearly four minutes (10:20 p.m. to 10:24 p.m.) ending its run to the north, upstream, it was invisible because it was still in the Earth's shade.

Regarding air traffic Casperflights reports to us two aircraft that overflown the area on October 17 at 10:30 p.m. exactly (see screen shot below) ...

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Loreline
Female Age: 64
Number of messages: 2402
Member since: 08/10/2012
Localization: Britanny
Occupation: Retired
Hobbies: Brittany, ufology, drawing, writing, celtic music

Subject: Re: 2013: on 10/17 at 10:30 p.m. - near an arliners Strange light in the sky - krautergersheim - Bas-Rhin (dép.67) Lun 21 Oct 2013, 12:58

Hello

Thanks for your interventions

We wait for LL56's opinion

Regards

LL56
New member
Male Age: 57
Number of messages: 2
Member since: 10/18/2013
Localization: krautergersheim
Occupation: sociall worker
Hobbies: arkeo space oopard ufoe

Subject: Re: 2013: on 10/17 at 10:30 p.m. - near an arliners Strange light in the sky - krautergersheim - Bas-Rhin (dép.67) Mar 19 Nov 2013, 10:17

Hello all

i wl read your info it would not be a ufo thats possible due to the presence of this satellite ,

i viewed the video and the luminoity and the size semm more important to me,

thanks for your very profesional investigation

Lionel

ps id like to post another report isit possible 1 yaer afet it happend

Polyèdre57
Forum team member
Male Age: 43
Number of messages: 2707
Member since: 08/16/2012
Localization: Moselle, Metz city
Occupation: Vaguemestre
Hobbies: Sport fishing for predators, regional history, defensive and religious heritage, music not c

Subject: Re: 2013: on 10/17 at 10:30 p.m. - near an arliners Strange light in the sky - krautergersheim - Bas-Rhin (dép.67) Mar 19 Nov 2013, 12:28

All the testimonies are taken into account in the forum, regardless of the years, however there is a requirement for them to be retained, complete narrative, precise geographical localization and a complete date, time or time slot as possible for the purposes of any investigation, if the case is sufficiently strange (or striking) to deserve attention, thus becoming public (on the web), it is likely that another witness may come forward and provide more information, it is a matter of time, good will and circumstances...

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Discussion:

I think all the useful things have been well said by the commentators on the ufology forum!

The North-American NOAA 16 satellite was launched by a Titan 2 rocket on September 21, 2000, from Vandenberg Air Force Base. It is a weather satellite put into orbit by the NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration).

It operates in am heliosynchronous orbit at an altitude of about 850 km, it is equipped with sensors that measure various radiations emitted by the Earth and radiationsfrom the sun reflected by the surface of oceans and continents. This data is used for meteorology, oceanography, glaciology, and the study of the vegetation.

It is its large solar panel that causes highly visible reflections sometimes seen from the ground. Ufologists speak in such cases of an "iridium flash" because the first cases of satellite reflections causing report with a UFO context were those caused by the Iridium satellite network started by Motorola corp. for mobile phone communication in 1998.

Ufologists (well, some ufologists ) use orbitography software, many of which are completely free to use, to determine whether a satellite could be implicated in this type of observations. We find for example:

Evaluation:

Probable satellite flash.

Sources references:

* = Source is available to me.
? = Source I am told about but could not get so far. Help needed.

File history:

Authoring:

Main author: Patrick Gross
Contributors: None
Reviewers: None
Editeur: Patrick Gross

Changes history:

Version: Create/changed by: Date: Description:
0.1 Patrick Gross March 6, 2014 Creation, [my1].
1.0 Patrick Gross March 6, 2014 First published.

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